Re: Cheap electric car

From: Tom Potter (tdp_at_earthlink.net)
Date: 07/12/04 

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:23:57 +0800

<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
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> In sci.physics Tom Potter <tdp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > <jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
> > news:ccmevl$2d6$2@mail.specsol.com...
> > > In sci.physics Tom Potter <tdp@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > <jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:cceqj8$83f$1@mail.specsol.com...
> > > > > In sci.physics Richard Henry <rphenry@home.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > <jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:ccem6f$nri$1@mail.specsol.com...
> > > > > > > In sci.physics Tom Potter <tdp@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Considering that Jim Pennino
> > > > > > > > has done "some reading",
> > > > > > > > hopefully, he will provide us
> > > > > > > > with the benefit of his "reading",
> > > > > > > > and provide specific references with comments
> > > > > > > > that address the points under discussion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Or maybe what Jim Pennino is saying,
> > > > > > > > is that if someone asserts that they
> > > > > > > > have done "some reading",
> > > > > > > > that what they say is fact.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Google +"river water" +irrigation +salt 16000 hits.
> > > > > > > Google +"river water" +irrigation +salt +ancient 2450 hits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look it up yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Did you read all 18,450 hits? Did they all agree with you?
> > > > >
> > > > > After the third or fourth, all saying basically the same thing...
> > >
> > > > I am disappointed to see that Jim Pennino
> > > > is unable to provide
> > > > "specific references with comments
> > > > that address the points under discussion."
> > >
> > > > One would think
> > > > that with 18,450 references to pick from
> > > > that one could find many to support his position.
> > >
> > > I looked at many of them. All agreed with what I said and what I
> > > read in the local paper (there is a local problem with irrigation
> > > and it makes the paper).
> > >
> > > Out of 18,450 references see if you can find ONE that supports your
> > > position.
>
> > I provided detailed information on my position.
>
> You did no such thing, you lying sack of ***.
>
> All you provided was arm waving, sales droid happy talk about how
> wonderful the the world would be if your advice was followed.
>
> > Why don't you read a few of the "18,450 references"
> > and post specific comments that
> > prove that you have actually "read" some of them?
>
> Since you are too stupid, lazy and arrogant to do your own research,
> here's a small snipit from one source:
>
> "All irrigation water contains salts and salt concentrations in soils
> increase as irrigation water evaporates from the surface or is transpired
> by plants. The salts then accumulate in the soil (Wolman 1987). This
> salinization of the soil increases continuously and when it reaches a high
> enough level, the land can no longer support life (Wolman 1987). David
> Sheridan in his book Desertification of the United States calls soil
> salinization one of the "deadliest" forms of desertification. The Bureau
> of Reclamation estimates that salinity caused $91 million in total damages
> in 1983 and predicts a $267 million annual loss by 2010 (Miller et al.
1986)."
>
> http://www.earlham.edu/~biol/desert/irrigation.htm
>
> > I am always anxious to be educated,
> > and as you have done "some reading",
> > why not share it?
>
> OK happy talk sales droid, you've been educated from a link picked at
> random from the references I've provided.
>
> Go pick a few more references of you own.

Here are a few comments from the poster's own reference:

"the overdraft of groundwater resources, and the salinization of soil and
water."

"The diversion of water for irrigation can be extremely harmful to the
endemic species of the Southwestern United States.
 The West used to be a lot less arid a long time ago,
and many springs and ponds contained populations that became isolated as the
land dried up""

"Groundwater overdraft occurs when water is removed from an underground
reservoir
at a rate faster than it is naturally being replenished.
Groundwater overdraft is a significant problem
because it results in land subsidence and desertification."

As can be seen from the poster's own reference,
the salinity added to the soil is a minor problem,
compared to the lack of water,
the over use of the natural water in the area,
and its' negative affect on the ecosystem, etc.

There is plenty of land in the western states,
but not enough water to make the land fit
for man or beast. 

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Tom Potter     http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
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