Re: Proposal: How to deal with Spaceman
From: Androcles (androc1es_at_nospamblueyonder.co.uk)
Date: 07/14/04
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:52:14 GMT
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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| In article <eca320d0.0407131722.1e3a9ebe@posting.google.com>,
| Edward Green <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote:
| >glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote in message
| >news:<cd0pa2$aek$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>...
| >> In article <ce5e7813.0407122146.6ec2adb@posting.google.com>,
| >> Myxococcus xanthus <mold-guardian@comcast.net> wrote:
| >> >For many years, James Driscoll has bombarded the sci.physics.*
| >> >newsgroups with incoherent attempts to disprove relativity. Our
| >> >arguments with James have been fruitless. In large part, I believe,
| >> >this is because James is totally clueless about math and physics
| >> >beyond an elementary level.
| >>
| >> Nope. It's a failure of the imagination. He doesn't merely disagree
| >> with relativity; he can't even comprehend it, cannot conceive even of a
| >> make-believe universe where lengths and time acts the way the theory
| >> describes.
| >
| >Well, I recall trying to get the Driscoll to concede some elementary
| >point, and the result was something like "A?" "Ok, A". "B?" "Ok,
| >B.", "Then, A and B?"... I don't recall what happened then. He
| >either changed the subject or refusted to answer... yeah, I think it
| >was changing the subject followed by some crack.
| >
| >> There are three types of cranks on this issue (although these aren't
| >> always mutually exclusive categories). The metaphysicist says, e.g.,
| >> Einstein's math or predictions of measurements are right, but his
| >> mechanism is wrong.
| >
| >I guess that's me, Gregory, although naturally I transverse your
| >tendentious and perjorative assertion. (No, I didn't think you had me
| >in mind personally, but that's close enough to a distorted view of my
| >thinking -- last time I had any :-] -- to cause a hackle raising
| >experience.
|
| I have only the vaguest notion that you have an opinion on those matters.
| I was thinking of one particular hoo-hoo that I'd had a lengthy argument
| with before I finally understood that he wasn't disputing Einstein's math.
| But time doesn't really exist, it's actually space, or something like
| that. But there's always the aether crowd.
|
| And it doesn't have to be unscientific. I didn't want to say "crackpot"
| for that reason. But some of those folks really do get pretty grumpy.
|
| >> >http://www.realspaceman.com/waterpiston.htm
| >> >
| >> >Even a superficial analysis shows that his design, in the absolute
| >> >best of circumstances, can do no more than reciprocate back and forth.
| >>
| >> To me it looks merely inefficient, and prone to self-destruction if the
| >> piston seals leak.
| >
| >Hmm... frazir also has bizarre ideas about piston engines. Is this
| >merely a strange coincidence?
|
| I'd wondered that. But unless he wants to weigh in, I can't know.
|
| >> >
| >> >If James can be made to understand how utterly wrong he has been about
| >> >a topic in his field of expertise, perhaps he can be made to
| >> >understand that he can be wrong about topics outside of his field of
| >> >expertise.
| >>
| >> Nope.
| >
| >Yep. It's not a matter for understanding. More like denial or
| >refusal.
|
| I still lean towards inability, based on his comments like 1c+1c and the
| number of Earth revs each twin sees. A universe where velocities don't
| transform by simple addition is not simply wrong to him, it's
| incomprehensible.
|
|
| --
| "Outside the camp you shall have a place set aside to be used as a
| latrine. You shall keep a trowel in your equipment and with it, when you
| go outside to ease nature, you shall first dig a hole and afterward cover
| up your excrement." -- Deuteronomy 23:13-14
Yet another reference to faeces. You seem to be quit fascinated by it.
Androcles.
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