Re: Aether is the empty space in which the Universe sits

stephen_at_nomail.com
Date: 07/23/04 

Date: 23 Jul 2004 00:40:39 GMT

In sci.physics.relativity greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote:
: <stephen@nomail.com> wrote in message
: news:cdovc4$2cv3$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
:> In sci.physics.relativity Paul Stowe <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
: wrote:
:> : On 21 Jul 2004 18:56:14 GMT, stephen@nomail.com wrote:
:>
:> :>In sci.physics.relativity Paul Stowe <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net>
: wrote:
:> :>: Great, tell me how you can do that. Please define an experiment that
:> :>: can take away EM fields such that we have a region of space that
:> :>: physically CANNOT propagate light... If & when you can demonstrate
:> :>: this feat I will pony up and exclaim that region is aether free and
:> :>: any physics done in such is non-aether based. I'll await with great
:> :>: expectation your detailed proposal for accomplishing this monumental
:> :>: feat.
:> :>
:> :> So how do your supposed 'hard particles' propagate through space?
:>
:> : The aetheron (ultra-mundane particles) properties, are, in our current
:> : state of ignorance, not discernable.
:>
:> :> Does the fact that there is no region of space through which your
:> :> 'hard particles' cannot propagate mean that they too require a medium
:> :> to propagate?
:>
:> : It is the cummulative affects of the population of the aetherons that
:> : give rise to non-contact transmission of momentum, force and energy.
:> : I.e. field effects. A mundane example of this type of the blast wave
:> : of a detonation.
:>
:> : But, to be clearer, I should have said above a region in which
:> : non-contact effects are not present.
:>
:> : Paul Stowe
:>
:> You did not answer the question. Do your aetherons require a medium
:> to propagate?

: No. Aetherons are corpuscular. The aetherons comprise the medium. (Just
: like sound propagates through the gas.) Gas particles don't exist in a
: vacuum. Hence, they don't propagate in a vacuum. Nor does sound.

That does not make any sense. Are you claiming that a gas particle cannot
move through empty space unless that space is already occupied by other
gas particles? How do particles ever "collide" if they are unable to
move through the empty space between them? Do your aetherons have this same
restriction that they can only move if there are already other aetherons there?

:> If there is no space through which they cannot propagate
:> does that not require that their is a medium?

: There may be space where there is no aether (no aetherons). In which case,
: they will not be propagating there. Nor will light be propagating (because
: there is no aether).

:> That seemed to be your
:> argument for the existence of the aether, that because there is no space
:> through which light cannot propagate there must be an aether there.

: That wasn't his argument.

It sure sounded that way. Suppose I claim that "motiontons" must exist
in order to explain the motion of any particle. Then what would the
following mean to you?
        " Please define an experiment such that we have a region of space that
      physically CANNOT propagate any particle ... If & when you can demonstrate
      this feat I will pony up and exclaim that region is motionton free and
      any physics done in such is non-motionton based. I'll await with great
      expectation your detailed proposal for accomplishing this monumental
      feat."

Stephen

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