Re: Mileva Maric Einstein

From: Bill Hobba (bhobba_at_rubbish.net.au)
Date: 07/23/04 

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:10:39 GMT

"Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> wrote in message
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> "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> wrote in message
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> > > > > > Did Poincare at the 1911 Solvay conference show no
> > > > > > understanding of relativity, the theory that Einstein supposedly
> > stole
> > > > > from
> > > > > > him - Yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow! I never heard that rumour - and I doubt it because I know
from
> > his
> > > > > writings that he understood it better than Lorentz. Do you have a
> > > > reference?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is no rumor - see page 170 - Pais - Subtle is the Lord. Einstein
> > meet
> > > > Poincare for the first time at the Solvay conference of 1911 and is
it
> > > > reported that Poincare showed little of no understanding of
> relativity.
> > > >
> > > > BTW Harry I highly recommend the above source for the true facts
about
> > > > Einstein. It is not just the authors view - the extensive
> bibliography
> > it
> > > > is based on is amazing.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Bill
> > >
> > > I don't have the book, so please give me the reference it provides so
I
> > can
> > > look it up - if it has such a reference!
> >
> > The reference that supports it is E12 but for some reason does not
> actually
> > appear in the bibliography.
> >
> > > "it is reported" is definitely a rumour - except if you can specify
who
> > > reported it and on what basis, so we can judge for ourselves how
likely
> it
> > > is to be correct.
> >
> > Come on Harry - Pias is a reputable source and he quotes Einstein as
> > actually saying it. I am sure Pias can back it up.
>
> If according to Pias Einstein made a bad remark about Poincare then the
> contents of that remark must be correct?!
> Come on!

Yep Harry I see your point. I remember actually thinking that as I was
writing the reply. One could even argue, if Einstein did actually 'pinch'
Poincare's idea, then it may have been a natural reaction. Of course I do
not agree with that view - I think it is more likely Poincare actually did
not understand it. I also believe it is more than rumor - Einstein actually
did say it - but acknowledge the issue.

Thanks
Bill

>
> > > However, for your information, I reported in my above
> > > message to you that he obviously understood it quite well, and I even
> > > reported how I know it and I can not only give you the references but
> even
> > > send some of them to you.
> >
> > Well it seems Einstein did not agree with you.
>
> Fine. It's OK if you state that Einstein claimed so according to an
unknown
> source of Pias.
>
> > > Bill, I highly recommend you to stop spreading rumours and stick to
the
> > > original sources.
> > >
> >
> > Quoting from a standard source by a reputable researcher in the area is
> not
> > spreading rumors.
>
> Of course it can be. If you quote a rumour spread by CNN or BBC as if it
is
> a verified fact then it is still propagating a rumour.
>
> > > Such books as you refer to are mainly useful for the included
sources -
> > > and only by reading these sources.
> >
> > I agree that it would be better if the reference Pias gave in support
> > actually appeared in the bibliography but it is obvious much greater
> weight
> > must be given to such sources than the innuendo being peddled by
> > Australopithecus Afarensis who, has been documented by Dirk, is
obviously
> > anti Jewish.
>
> In my experience "reputable" sources are not so much better than doubtful
> sources that they can be relied upon. Thus now I give almost *no* weight
to
> second hand sources.
>
> Harald
>
>

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