Re: Matter, information and black holes
From: Mike Helland (mhelland_at_techmocracy.net)
Date: 07/23/04
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Date: 23 Jul 2004 07:42:44 -0700
Eric Gisse <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message news:<bqi1g0lo3hdm3r821qlouom1aop9ijhqk8@4ax.com>...
> On 22 Jul 2004 23:29:26 -0700, mhelland@techmocracy.net (Mike Helland)
> wrote:
>
> >Eric Gisse <fsegg@uaf.edu> wrote in message news:<r2u0g09rld7tkh2jon2eopak83itj23vif@4ax.com>...
> >> On 22 Jul 2004 09:16:55 -0700, mhelland@techmocracy.net (Mike Helland)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >So there's some new hoopla about black holes.
> >> >
> >> >I've got a couple of quick questions, Hawking refers to matter and
> >> >information quite a bit. My uneducated understanding of this is that
> >> >information is what we receive or extract from reality. In other
> >> >words, matter is something that physically exists regardless of the
> >> >information about it.
> >>
> >> After all your posturing about black holes, you admit ignorance. There
> >> is yet hope for you.
> >>
> >> [snip handwaving]
> >>
> >> Guess not.
> >
> >My view that "information *is* reality" has certainly proved to be a
> >difficult concept to understand. I don't doubt that it appears to be
> >handwaving, and I haven't ruled out he possibility that it actually
> >is.
>
> It is philosophy and thus irrelevent to physics.
Well, I disagree.
Knowledge is knowledge, whether we tentatively classify it as physics
or philosophy, it is still a part of a large framework of interwoven
conjectures and ideas.
I think we've talked about this before, and I'm particularlly
unenthused to be discussing ideas about ideas as opposed to ideas
themselves.
I'll just provide a link that does a fair job at summarizing the views
on science I've adopted and try to leave it at that:
http://www.the-rathouse.com/poptheoryknow.html
> >But if you wouldn't mind taking a careful readthrough again of what
> >you snipped and letting me know where things go fuzzy for you, or any
> >other general comments you may have, I'd benefit from your feedback.
>
> "My homebrewed view of the relationship between matter and information
> is quite different. Information *is* realtiy. Matter is found in the
> analysis of that information, so matter doesn't exist independently of
> the information."
>
> It is philosophy. It means nothing. You can't pull any useful
> predictions out of it.
Actually, the prediction I described some months ago was that matter
that goes into a black hole continues to exist, but in a different way
than it was before it entered the event horizon. Stephen Hawking is
getting some press time because he has solved problems related to this
prediction, hence this thread.
> >> How are you doing with D'Iverno?
> >
> >Not very well. A book on bluegrass banjo playin' is alot more
> >intriguing to me at the moment. :-)
>
> You have decided that you want to rework the laws of physics. You
> should learn them before condemning them.
Very good point. Over the winter I had read a good deal on what has
been written about time and space, from Newton, Kant, Leibniz, the
ancients, string theorists, and others.
Do I wish I could understand the more difficult material? Yes, but I'm
a) more interested in how matter, space, and time relate to reality
and b) more interested in playing my banjo!
-- Mike Helland http://www.techmocracy.net/science/time.htm
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