Re: Aether is the empty space in which the Universe sits

From: Bill Hobba (bhobba_at_rubbish.net.au)
Date: 07/25/04 

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:54:54 GMT

"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:51:50 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
> >news:gb16g01749t7op3jublhv6hmdh78ci93jb@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:56:59 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Ole D. Rughede" <ole.rughede@privat.dk> wrote in message
> >> >news:4102b3de$0$295$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
> >>
> >> [Snip...]
> >>
> >> >> What would count as detection of the Aether Bill?
> >> >
> >> > Read previous responses to Stowe on this issue - do a google search.
> >>
> >> Hmmm like,
> >>
> >> "Until experiments have been conducted that definitively show
> >> an aether then logic allows me, an anyone else with a brain,
> >> to say we have no definite evidence of the existence of an
> >> aether. And do not retort with what would count as evidence
> >> - obviously the same type as evidence we have for the
> >> existence of atoms ie an experiment whose only reasonable
> >> interpretation is an aether just like the only reasonable
> >> interpretation of Brownian motions was the existence of
> >> atoms. ... "
> >>
> >> See previous post...
> >
> > Yes Paul - just like that. See how easy it is. BTW if you continue
> > searching you will see it is not the only time I have given the same
> > explanation.
>
> And I don't care how many times you peddle the SOS| Great, give us
> a causal explanation for non-contact interactions... I need only
> one other rather than a carrier media. Try somethin' simple, explain
> Gauss's Law,
>
> S
> f = ------
> 4piR^2
>
> By some other physical process than a physical fluence moving radially
> outward.

Sure - it follows from the variation of the EM Action integral -mds + Audxu
+ FuvFuv.

Or it can be derived form local gauge invariance of the quantum state - see
276 of the following text
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Nothing/Law.doc.

As the paper says:

'Summarizing, we have found that the equations that describe the motion of a
charged free particle are not invariant under a local gauge transformation.
However, we can make them invariant by adding a term to the canonical
momentum that corresponds to the 4-vector potential of the electromagnetic
field. Thus the electromagnetic force can be thought of as a fictitious
force that is introduced to preserve local gauge symmetry. Conservation of
charge follows from global gauge symmetry.'

Try explaining that with your pathetic aether.
Bill

>
> > And also note that I did not say than evidence of an aether would be
> > the existence of an atomic structure that could only be attributed
> > to an aether
>
> It is, but then again you seem to have zero concept or capability
> of same of thinking physically (pictorial process wise).
>
> > - notice the words - the same type - meaning any evidence that
> > can only be attributed to the existence of an aether.
>
> See above, give us another causal mean of the communication of
> non-contact interaction other than it fields and those just are,
> Duh, drool...
>
> Paul Stowe

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