Re: (Smart1234) - People In The Past Have Asked Me, "Who am I?".

From: Double-A (double-a_at_hush.com)
Date: 07/26/04 

Date: 26 Jul 2004 04:59:30 -0700

smart1234@aol.com (S. Enterprize Company) wrote in message news:<20040725231524.16411.00000346@mb-m14.aol.com>...
> >smart1234@aol.com (S. Enterprize Company) wrote in message
> >news:<20040725061014.12089.00002315@mb-m01.aol.com>...
> >> >smart1234@aol.com (S. Enterprize Company) wrote in message
> >> >news:<20040724041322.29660.00002075@mb-m16.aol.com>...
> >> >> (Smart1234) - People In The Past Have Asked Me, "Who am I?". Well, here
> is
> a
> >> >> little information about my background in family history and ancestry.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://members.aol.com/smart1234/ManhattanIsland.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh and BTW, The Smart Model is the best sub-atomic, atomic and
> universal
> >> >> model, in my opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
> >> >> http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
> >> >> S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
> >> >> http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Back out on the streets, eh Jim?
> >> >
> >> >The hospital couldn't cure you, huh?
> >> >
> >> >Same old delusions as before!
> >> >
> >> >And to satisfy your perverse masochistic desires, you have returned to
> >> >these newsgroups where you know you will receive the ridicule, scorn,
> >> >and derision that your sick mind so secretly craves!
> >> >
> >> >Ha ha ha ha ha!
> >> >
> >> >Double-A
> >>
> >> Well, I try to enlighten people.
> >>
> >>
> >> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
> >> http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
> >> S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
> >> http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
> >
> >
> >Well, when you secure your title to Manhattan Island, I'm sure you
> >will want to do the right thing and sell it back to the Indians for
> >the $24.00 original price, realizing what a swindle your ancestors
> >perpetrated on them.
> >
> >Can you imagine what the Indians could do with Manhattan today? They
> >would build the world's greatest casino restort center!
> >
> >(Of course it already has the New York Stock Exchange, the greatest
> >gambling casino of all!)
> >
> >Double-A
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> It was more than just $24.00. It included education, technology to develop
> the land, needed supplies, ship building, jewelry, a part in the trading
> business activity worldwide and profit sharing etc... . We co-existed in peace
> with the indians ( Lanape Indians and others) and everyone were happy, UNTIL
> the British came and started running everyone out there. My ancestors had
> proper land deeds and authority to be there. There was even housing, streets
> and buildings already there mapped out, with those who owned certain areas.
> The British then started driving out the Indians from their land and
> started moving westward. The TV movies always seem to make the Indians look
> like the bad guys and savages. They blamed the white man for this ( The
> British) not us the Belgian-French through Peter Minuit and families with him (
> my other ancestors).
> Then after the British took over the land ( about 1670), they started
> changing the names of everything illegally that was already Belgium-French
> owned property. New Amsterdam became changed to New York City, New Netherlands
> became changed to New York etc, and then they had they later signed a
> Declaration of Independance to show that no one could throw them out of their
> own, "so called" land. But what about what they just did to my ancestors and
> Indians a few years earlier? In fact, my distant cousin Peter Minuit was
> already considered to be the first president ( or governor ) of many colonies
> (like states) of what later became the United States.
> Later they make a Louisiana purchase in 1803 from which the French ALSO
> owned, for only 3 cents an acre. And then they practically force the Indians
> to sign peace treaties so they could just stay alive and exist on little
> reservations.
>
> Here is some paper work showing the first legitimate purchase with the
> Indians in return for about 33,000 acres ( Manhattan Island). Later business
> transactions included Staten Island and and other areas. The Begium-French were
> the first to purchase land legally from the Indians with an established peace
> government and business activity.
> The British were the first to drive out everyone out of their own land by
> force, including the existing government already established since 1526.
>
> http://www.nyhistory.org/24dollar/facts.html
>
> They even tried to conceal and destroy all documentation that New Amsterdam
> and other people were even there. They even wrote school books showing that the
> land just became to be called New York, in favor of the Duke of York.
> And now they pay respect to my distant cousin, Peter Minuit ( they forgot
> to include the other people with him, my other relatives) with great monuments
> facing the Statue of Liberty, at the southern part of Manhattan Island. Well I
> guess they forgot about the other possible true heirs.... . I'm still around
> and so are a lot of my other relatives. What about us? As soon we obtain the
> best attorney for the job, I think things will change. We even want to help the
> US remain a strong stable economic country. We are all in favor if it, we just
> don't like what was done to us to start with.
>
>
> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
> http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
> S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
> http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/

You said:

  "We co-existed in peace with the indians ( Lanape Indians and
others) and everyone were happy, UNTIL the British came and started
running everyone out there."

My reading of the history says that there was plenty of fighting
between the settlers of New Netherlands and the Indians, long before
the British muscled in. The people had to build forts to protect
themselves from the Indian attacks. Perhaps the Indians eventually
figured out how badly they were being screwed!

Your claim to Manhattan suffers from a little hitch called "Right of
Conquest". Britain and Holland were at war at the time the British
fleet arrived and seized New Amsterdam. Perhaps if the colonists
there hadn't already burned their bridges with their former Indian
allies, they might have at least put up a fight. But as it was, they
could do nothing but surrender. It's interesting that while Holland
had nearly as large a fleet of warships as Britain at the time, that
they did nothing to defend New Amsterdam. Maybe they thought it
wasn't worth saving.

Anyway, "Right of Conquest" gave Britain the right to reallocate
ownership of the land however they pleased.

"Right of Conquest" may sound like a barbaric principle, but if the
courts were to ever overturn it, we would have to give the whole
country back to the Indians.

Couldn't have that!

Double-A

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