Re: (Smart1234) - People In The Past Have Asked Me, "Who am I?".

From: S. Enterprize Company (smart1234_at_aol.com)
Date: 07/28/04 

Date: 28 Jul 2004 00:38:58 GMT

>smart1234@aol.com (S. Enterprize Company) wrote in message
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>> >>>> >> >smart1234@aol.com (S. Enterprize Company) wrote in message
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>> >>>> >> >> (Smart1234) - People In The Past Have Asked Me, "Who am I?".
>> Well,
>> here
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> >> >> little information about my background in family history and
>> ancestry.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> http://members.aol.com/smart1234/ManhattanIsland.html
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Oh and BTW, The Smart Model is the best sub-atomic, atomic
>> and
>> universal
>> >>>> >> >> model, in my opinion.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
>> >>>> >> >>
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>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >Back out on the streets, eh Jim?
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >The hospital couldn't cure you, huh?
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >Same old delusions as before!
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >And to satisfy your perverse masochistic desires, you have
>> returned to
>> >>>> >> >these newsgroups where you know you will receive the ridicule,
>> scorn,
>> >>>> >> >and derision that your sick mind so secretly craves!
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >Ha ha ha ha ha!
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >Double-A
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Well, I try to enlighten people.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
>> >>>> >> http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
>> >>>> >> S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
>> >>>> >> http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Well, when you secure your title to Manhattan Island, I'm sure
>> you
>> >>>> >will want to do the right thing and sell it back to the Indians
>> for
>> >>>> >the $24.00 original price, realizing what a swindle your
>> ancestors
>> >>>> >perpetrated on them.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Can you imagine what the Indians could do with Manhattan today?
>> They
>> >>>> >would build the world's greatest casino restort center!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >(Of course it already has the New York Stock Exchange, the
>> greatest
>> >>>> >gambling casino of all!)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Double-A
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It was more than just $24.00. It included education, technology
>> to
>> develop
>> >>>> the land, needed supplies, ship building, jewelry, a part in the
>> trading
>> >>>> business activity worldwide and profit sharing etc... . We
>> co-existed in
>> peace
>> >>>> with the indians ( Lanape Indians and others) and everyone were
>> happy,
>> UNTIL
>> >>>> the British came and started running everyone out there. My
>> ancestors had
>> >>>> proper land deeds and authority to be there. There was even
>> housing,
>> streets
>> >>>> and buildings already there mapped out, with those who owned
>> certain
>> areas.
>>
>> >>>> The British then started driving out the Indians from their
>> land and
>> >>>> started moving westward. The TV movies always seem to make the
>> Indians
>> look
>> >>>> like the bad guys and savages. They blamed the white man for this
>> ( The
>> >>>> British) not us the Belgian-French through Peter Minuit and
>> families with
>> him (
>> >>>> my other ancestors).
>> >>>> Then after the British took over the land ( about 1670), they
>> started
>> >>>> changing the names of everything illegally that was already
>> Belgium-French
>> >>>> owned property. New Amsterdam became changed to New York City, New
>> Netherlands
>> >>>> became changed to New York etc, and then they had they later
>> signed a
>> >>>> Declaration of Independance to show that no one could throw them
>> out of
>> their
>> >>>> own, "so called" land. But what about what they just did to my
>> ancestors
>> and
>> >>>> Indians a few years earlier? In fact, my distant cousin Peter
>> Minuit was
>> >>>> already considered to be the first president ( or governor ) of
>> many
>> colonies
>> >>>> (like states) of what later became the United States.
>> >>>> Later they make a Louisiana purchase in 1803 from which the
>> French
>> ALSO
>> >>>> owned, for only 3 cents an acre. And then they practically force
>> the
>> Indians
>> >>>> to sign peace treaties so they could just stay alive and exist on
>> little
>> >>>> reservations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is some paper work showing the first legitimate purchase
>> with the
>> >>>> Indians in return for about 33,000 acres ( Manhattan Island).
>> Later
>> business
>> >>>> transactions included Staten Island and and other areas. The
>> Begium-French
>> were
>> >>>> the first to purchase land legally from the Indians with an
>> established
>> peace
>> >>>> government and business activity.
>> >>>> The British were the first to drive out everyone out of their
>> own
>> land
>> by
>> >>>> force, including the existing government already established since
>> 1526.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.nyhistory.org/24dollar/facts.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They even tried to conceal and destroy all documentation that
>> New
>> Amsterdam
>> >>>> and other people were even there. They even wrote school books
>> showing
>> that
>> the
>> >>>> land just became to be called New York, in favor of the Duke of
>> York.
>> >>>> And now they pay respect to my distant cousin, Peter Minuit (
>> they
>> forgot
>> >>>> to include the other people with him, my other relatives) with
>> great
>> monuments
>> >>>> facing the Statue of Liberty, at the southern part of Manhattan
>> Island.
>> Well I
>> >>>> guess they forgot about the other possible true heirs.... . I'm
>> still
>> around
>> >>>> and so are a lot of my other relatives. What about us? As soon we
>> obtain
>> the
>> >>>> best attorney for the job, I think things will change. We even
>> want to
>> help
>> the
>> >>>> US remain a strong stable economic country. We are all in favor if
>> it, we
>> just
>> >>>> don't like what was done to us to start with.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
>> >>>> http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
>> >>>> S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
>> >>>> http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>You said:
>> >>>
>> >>> "We co-existed in peace with the indians ( Lanape Indians and
>> >>>others) and everyone were happy, UNTIL the British came and started
>> >>>running everyone out there."
>> >>>
>> >>>My reading of the history says that there was plenty of fighting
>> >>>between the settlers of New Netherlands and the Indians, long before
>> >>>the British muscled in. The people had to build forts to protect
>> >>>themselves from the Indian attacks. Perhaps the Indians eventually
>> >>>figured out how badly they were being screwed!
>> >>>
>> >>>Your claim to Manhattan suffers from a little hitch called "Right of
>> >>>Conquest". Britain and Holland were at war at the time the British
>> >>>fleet arrived and seized New Amsterdam. Perhaps if the colonists
>> >>>there hadn't already burned their bridges with their former Indian
>> >>>allies, they might have at least put up a fight. But as it was,
>> they
>> >>>could do nothing but surrender. It's interesting that while Holland
>> >>>had nearly as large a fleet of warships as Britain at the time, that
>> >>>they did nothing to defend New Amsterdam. Maybe they thought it
>> >>>wasn't worth saving.
>> >>>
>> >>>Anyway, "Right of Conquest" gave Britain the right to reallocate
>> >>>ownership of the land however they pleased.
>> >>>
>> >>>"Right of Conquest" may sound like a barbaric principle, but if the
>> >>>courts were to ever overturn it, we would have to give the whole
>> >>>country back to the Indians.
>> >>>
>> >>>Couldn't have that!
>> >>>
>> >>>Double-A
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> "Right Of Conquest" is like another way of saying right to conquer and
>> >>take
>> >>someone elses land illegally. We ( my ancestors) did have legitimate
>> deeds
>> >>and
>> >>good government there WITH the indians. We made the first legal
>> purchase of
>> >>land from the Indians. We didn't conquer the indians to obtain that
>> land. The
>> >>fights here and there with Indians were basically Indians against
>> Indians.
>> >>Like
>> >>the Mohawks against the Mohicans etc... in that area. But they were
>> just a
>> >>little jealous of the extra profits being made by the Mohicans and
>> the Lanape
>> >>Indians, because that was a world trade center of business at the
>> time. As
>> >>business boomed money and property values increased and the other
>> Indians
>> >>wanted to be part of it. Not because we drove them out, but because
>> they
>> >>wanted
>> >>money or wealth.
>> >> Peter Minuit did set up the FIRST United States and United Nations.
>The
>> >>British destroyed alot of the legal documents which included things
>> like a
>> >>Declaration of Netherlands Independance and Charter Agreements of
>> business
>> >>transactions.
>> >> I agree there were other wars going on outside of America at the time
>> but
>> >>that was their business. The US was already in existence before the
>> British
>> >>took it over. When they forced our ancestors to surrender, it wasn't
>> because
>> >>we
>> >>felt guilty or didn't want the land. My ancestors were forced to
>> surrender or
>> >>DIE. We didn't have the military backing needed to stop the surprize
>> attack
>> >>by
>> >>the British. The Duke of York just said I want that land so it's
>> mine. This
>> >>is
>> >>Wrong. There is documentation of legal origial land deeds by blocks
>> in
>> >>Belgium
>> >>and France In regard to New Amsterdam ( now re-named New York City).
>> In fact,
>> >>after the British took it over by force, they renamed land deeds,
>> districts,
>> >>and the whole state to New York. The deeds to land in the totallity
>> of New
>> >>York are not legal deeds. In fact, many claims to deeds had no
>> backing in
>> >>court
>> >>cases like with the Hall-Edwards fraud cases. They even said the
>> Trinity
>> >>Church
>> >>made a land deed with Peter Stuyvesant in about 1664. But THE Trinity
>> Church
>> >>didn't arrive their until 1697. The Trinity Church Deed isn't even
>> legal with
>> >>British standards. False documents is not a deed. The British thought
>> they
>> >>could conceal or destroy all records but they didn't. Records still
>> survived
>> >>in
>> >>Belgium anf France.
>> >> So The Right of Conquest is NOT valid in this case. It's like, what if
>> >>someone goes to your house right now and says they own your house and
>> deed to
>> >>your house? Is that legal? No.
>> >> The land, the original United States was established and backed by
>the
>> >>other world countries ( or Kingdoms). After the British took over
>> everything
>> >>illegally, then they formed their Declaration of Independance. But we
>> already
>> >>did that before they got there.
>> >> We should respect the ORIGINAL United States of America, not the
>stolen
>> >>one. Peter Minuit was really the first President and he had a
>> successer the
>> >>second President of the United States. Peter Stuyvesant. Peter
>> Stuyvesant DID
>> >>put up a fight against the British but lacked the military to defend
>> the
>> >>land.
>> >>Is this right? NO.
>> >> Why do they respect my ancestors President (or Governor) Peter Minuit
>in
>> >>Manhattan Island with a monument facing the French Statue of Liberty?
>> Maybe
>> >>it's because they never knew the true history behind it.
>> >
>> > As I researched more into the history of the ORIGINAL United
>> >States of
>> >America, I noticed that in 1624 Peter Minuit purchased and set up the
>> >first
>> >legitimate government there that had other states already there. Then
>> >I noticed
>> >that in the year 1625 some mysterious person without a father and just
>> >a
>> >mother, according to historical records, shows up there too. His name
>> >was Jan
>> >Damen. And he had a son Jan Janson Damen. And my ancestors had fights
>> >and
>> >arguments with this person regularly. Who is a person without a father
>> >with a
>> >surname
>> >"Damen"? Then I remembered the movie " The Omen", where they called an
>> >evil
>> >person named "Damien", the Anti-Christ in the movie. The same way they
>> >show the
>> >movie is basically the same way it seems to have happened in
>> >historical
>> >records. There was even a priest that kept up with the records of not
>> >only the
>> >DeCuir and Walloons ( or LeQuier) family, but also "Damien". "Damien"
>> >has no
>> >known background, just a mother. He just appears out of no where.
>> >Then my
>> >ancestors are removed out of the world center of wealth and power.
>> > My family IS the GOOD side. Maybe this mysterious person
>> >influenced the
>> >Duke of York to take over the land illegally so He ( Damien) could
>> >reign. Even
>> >the last movie of "The Omen IV" shows a President "York", with this
>> >same person
>> >( Damien) against us. It makes you wonder what is really going on. Did
>> >the
>> >British really do what they wanted to do or what they HAD to do. Is
>> >this
>> >"Damien" person evil?, that was there with my ancestors in the FIRST
>> >United
>> >States? I don't know. But things in North Belgium are forming things
>> >on the
>> >EVIL side ( a "Damien" ancestry) and the South Belgium ( my ancestors
>> >and
>> >family) are forming things on the GOOD side.
>> > What is your choice? Good or Evil? Evil is basically something
>> >that says
>> >you have no free will choice which was based on misunderstandings from
>> >the
>> >start. Everything was made good from the start, even all beings, even
>> >the
>> >number 666, then evil appears with misunderstandings of free will
>> >choice with
>> >incorrect counter re-actions to form the evil Beast and anti-Christ.
>> > Evil can't stand alone. Good MUST be there to balance it to
>> >establish a
>> >free will choice, while ((also)) RESPECTING the free will choice of
>> >others.
>> >
>> >
>> >Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
>> >http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
>> >S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
>> >http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
>> >
>> >
>> >Double-A:
>> >
>> >New Netherlands was granted to the Duke of York in 1664 by his
>> >brother, King Charles II of Britain. Damon was already dead by that
>> >time. He died in 1650. The British claims to the lands were dubious,
>> >but when you have the British Navy to back you up, who cares?
>> >
>> >What was interesting to discover that this Jan Jansen Damen was the
>> >first owner of the land on which the World Trade Center was built!
>>
>> No this isn't true. Historical records show that, that area of land or
>> property was originally owned by Dirckse De Noorman. His own stone built
>home
>> was even built there in that area location and places there were even
>named
>> after him too.
>>
>> >
>> >He also was responsible for leading a raid on a couple of Indian camps
>> >in 1643 where they killed 100, hacking men, women, and infants to
>> >pieces with their swords. Some escaped, but missing hands, feet,
>> >arms, legs, or were losing their bowels, or had other fatal wounds.
>> >His own people were repulsed by his excesses in that butchery and
>> >expelled him from the local governing board.
>> >
>> >This united the Indians against them.
>> >
>> >I can see now why the land that the World Trade Center stood on is
>> >cursed!
>> >
>> >Double-A
>>
>> Originally on Dirckse De Noorman's land, was built his stone type home
>and
>> other buildings in the area about where the World Trade center is now
>located
>> as I mentioned. Dirckse owned most of the southern tip of Manhattan Island,
>the
>> most valuable land in the world. Just 77 acreas of it is worth about 780
>> billion dollars.
>>
>> You can see how well develped it was at this link: ( Note : the map is
>> sideways. The southern tip of Manhattan Island, should be facing south).
>>
>> http://www.nnp.org/newvtour/regions/Manhattan/new-amsterdam.html#
>>
>> There are even better maps showing more details and streets and
>buildings in
>> that area too developed and owned by Dirckse.
>>
>> Later the British leveled ( destroyed) his Dirckse's stone home and
>they
>> say his grave that was originally there but was either turned into sand, or
>> removed, or something, and things ( buildings) were built on top of his
>grave
>> location site. But before that, he only ((temporary)) left that area to I
>think
>> the eastern area, you can see on the link ( map ) that he also owned land
>which
>> was about 500 acres to the east of well developed land too, or maybe
>somewhere
>> around Long Island where his ships were placed, but he never abandoned his
>> original home, or anything, or land. He just didn't live in that area ( his
>> stone home etc... .) during the time of trouble around his home like you
>were
>> mentioning.
>> You may be right about Jan Jansen Damen, he may have been in that area
>> during the time of trouble there and he may have been involved in killing
>> people and indians, I'm not sure.
>> Historical records show Dirckse De Noorman had arguments with Jan
>Jansen
>> Damen. Dirckse's wife Chritina Vigna, was the step daughter of Jan Jansen
>> Damen and the fights may have been over her or her marriage, or something.
>> Historical records show that Damen threw them out of his ( Jan Jansen
>Damen)
>> house.
>> And speaking of the World Trade Center, there may be a possible curse
>there,
>> like you say, look at this link.
>>
>> http://advice7.com/psychic_spiritual/badspirits.html
>>
>> And look at this information about The New World Order on the next link.
>>
>> http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/
>>
>> (Note in Brussels, Belgium, the Beast 666 Computer is located there which
>is
>> in the northern side of Belgium. Wallonia is the southern area of Belgium
>where
>> my ancestors also lived and one of my ancestors was even a mayor in Macon,
>> Belgium during the time Peter Minuit was the governor there in Belgium.)
>>
>>
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>
>
>See:
>
>http://www.co.rockland.ny.us/WTC/911/06-27-04.htm
>
>"ON a hilly spot, near the edge of the Hudson River shoreline, Jan
>Jansen Damen used a horse-drawn plow to turn up the sandy soil in the
>late 1630's as he carefully laid out a farm on the small chunk of the
>New World that he had been allotted by the Dutch West India Company.
>
>Next Sunday, on that same patch of Lower Manhattan land, Gov. George
>E. Pataki and other dignitaries will gather for another
>groundbreaking: the start of the construction of the Freedom Tower,
>the centerpiece of the new World Trade Center."
>
>. . . . .
>
>"Jan Jansen Damen, who came from Holland around 1630 to help set up
>the new colony, was more than just a simple farmer. The first European
>owner of what would later become part of the World Trade Center site
>had much greater ambitions."
>
>Also see:
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/parrish/
>
> "In 1632, my 11 x great grandmother, Ariaentje Cuvilje Vigne, who
>gave birth to Jan Vigne, the first European male child born in
>Manhattan, married Jan Jansen Damen.
   Queers didn't marry back then. You are incorrect. Jan Vine was male. Jan
Jansen Damen was male.

According to "Ancestry.com" records of Jan Jansen Damen ((he)) married,
(Adrienne CUVELLIER)

http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2916872&id=I174996&ti=4300

Jan Vigne ( MALE) Jan is a male name also spelled as JOHN.

http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1620883&id=I107&ti=4300

He was the first owner of the
>land of the World Trade Center owning 70% of the land above the water

  Nope this is incorrect too.
The father of Jan Jensen Damen was Jan Damen, and Jan Damen doesn't even have a
known background, unless you want to associate him with evil, like movie "The
Omen", where "Damien" screwed people up, just like the British did to the
ORIGINAL United States that was ALREADY there.

>. He got the land grant on April 25, 1644. Ariaentje became the second
>owner of Ground Zero when he died in 1649."
>
>
>I cannot find any references to Dirckse De Noorman ever having owned
>that land.

Showing historical records of Dirckse land ownership. Trace Rachel Dirckse and
Jan ( Jean) LeQuier ( DeCuir) marriage and their will. It still remains even
though it appears Dirckse sold most of his land in the end. Rachel and ( My
ancestor DID NOT ). And Jan Damen and his son, Jan Jansen Damen, probably both
came from Holland. But, The Walloons and the DeCuir's were the closest
relatives to Peter Minuit ( Belgium-French) and out numbered Jan Jansen Damien
 from the Damen family. So what does this mean. First of all, Peter Minuit
owned almost all of the 33,000 acres of Manhattan Island, NOT Jan Damen or his
son, Jan Jansen Damen. Dirckse originally owned about 77 acreas at the southern
tip of Manhattan Island and about 500 acres to the east of Manhattan Island.
This leaves about 32,000 acres of land owned by Peter Minuit( Note Pierre
Miniut IS Belgium-French and a Walloon family next to my relatives).
    Since my ancestors were the closest with MAJORITY ancestor relations with
Pierre Minuit ( or Peter Minuit) this makes me ( and my family) the majority
share holders of Manhattan Island. There is a lot of undetermined claims with
the relation of Jan Jansen Damen which included certain conditions to HIS
inheritance which I think was never met. I think "Damen" really owns NOTHING in
Manhattan Island and was known ( as you already mentioned ) a butcher of the
people there and the indians.
    I think you are incorrect. I believe that since my ancestors were the
majority land and share holders of Manhattan Island which also includes Long
Island and Staten Island, ( and Delaware) we are ( or were) really the true
owners of the World Trade Center.

http://genealogypages.org/pedigree/g061.html

>
>At least there is a lot of documentation on the people of New
>Amsterdam. They were good record keepers. This is not true of many
>people's ancestors.

   Yes but the fact remains, deeds and the whole state of New York was
illegally obtained and renamed, including all the original deeds and districts.

   I was to be the first true heir of Manhattan Island according to tradition
passed from generation to generation. Sure there are others there with good
ORIGINAL deeds that was taken from them. If the court case shows I am the true
heir of Peter Minuit, this shows that I believe am really the owner the World
Trade Center which was destroyed, including the Federal Reserve Bank as a
major backing wealth and power for Manhattan Island, and I should have the
powers, with the United Nations which was also located on my ancestors land.
The New York Stock exchange is also on what I believe to be my ( ancestors)
property too.

>
>Double-A
>
>

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