Re: Bigger better balls: "ball lightning" in the kitchen

From: Don Klipstein (don_at_manx.misty.com)
Date: 08/04/04 

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:06:55 +0000 (UTC)

In article <9vh0h09vor4q5uh89mhm2pfq4fki80fd54@4ax.com>, Ben Bradley wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:18:01 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
>Klipstein) wrote:
<SNIP>
>> I last read books mentioning ball lightning before I ever heard of such
>>a thing as the Internet, so I am unable to cite those who claim
>>supernatural explanations for ball lightning.
>>
>> And my mentioning ESP avoiding laboratory scrutiny was not to claim that
>>it exists while avoiding laboratory scrutiny.
>> However, I do believe in it, just as I believe in God - and I don't hear
>>of many experimental findings withstanding peer review and published in
>>the major scientific journals showing evidence that God exists.
>
> I see a big difference between proponents of these two. While some
>believers in God do claim that the existence of God can be proven (or
>something similar, such as that the existence of life itself is proof
>of God's existence), many accept His existence on faith, and feel no
>need to "prove" the existence of Him nor anything supernatural.

  I see the opposite - I see God and ESP as similar, and as paranormal
phenomena that are similarly exclusive to "the" (or at least most)
non-skeptics!
  As far as I see, I see that there are phenomenon and "forces" better
explained by religion than by science. Along with this, please note that
I see religion nowadays being as far behind science as to be at best
comparable to the "Middle Age" times when chemistry was in an infancy
stage of deviating from alchemy!
  At worst, religion could even be as far behind science as to be hardly
ahead of the time when astronomony and astrology became distinguishable
separate fields - roughly 3,000 years ago?

> On the other hand, almost all ESP proponents are very concerned >with
> evidence and proof, and feel that hard scientific proof of some
>paranormal phenomenon is "just around the corner" (and they've felt that
>way for decades). These are the J. B. Rhine's and others doing research
>in the field, who have strong personal motivation to find hard evidence
>for ESP. I read a fascinating book on the topic by Susan Blackmore, "The
>Adventures of a Parapsychologist", currently published with the title
>"In Search of the Light."

(signor of the article that I believe I am responding to has website:
(Please tell me if I "snipped" excessively/erroneously)
>----- >http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

 - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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