Re: Aether is the empty space in which the Universe sits
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Date: 08/22/04
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:35:11 -0700
Dear FrediFizzx:
"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | Dear FrediFizzx:
> |
> | "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | > "Robert J. Kolker" <robert_kolker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | > |
> | > |
> | > | Cecil Moore wrote:
> | > |
> | > | > Michelson-Morley experiment gives strong experimental support to
the
> | > | > special theory of relativity, and is often called the most
> | significant
> | > | > 'negative-result' experiment ever performed."
> | > |
> | > | I beg to differ. If the aether had been as M and M supposed (a
> | > | visco-elastic medium) the interference fringes would have been
> | observed.
> | > | So either there is no aether, or aether is not as M and M supposed
it
> | to
> | > | be. They made a prediction, based on the nature of the Aether they
> | > | assumed. The experiment turned out different. Assuming their
> instrument
> | > | was sound, their assumption was wrong. If aether exists, it is not
> what
> | > | they thought it to be.
> | > |
> | > | There are more general reasons for not accepting the visco-elastic
> | > | aether of M and M. Not the least of which is there are no
> manipulations
> | > | of the Navier Stokes equations that can reproduce electromagnetic
> | > | effects. Furthermore non-viscous rare fluids do not carry
transverse
> | > | waves. If the aether of M and M existed it would be rarer than
honesty
> | > | in a politician and stiffer than Toledo steel. If you can come up
with
> | a
> | > | substance that is both solid and so rare that it doesn't slow down
the
> | > | planets, then bottle it. You will make a small fortune.
> | > |
> | > | The Aetherists now look to the quantum vacuum or even spacetime
> itself.
> | > | The -call- those aether. But it is not the aether sought in the
MMX.
> It
> | > | is completely different, so why call it by the same name? They
> | > | desperately search for something they can call Aether and thus be
able
> | > | to say "See, I told you so!". Besides, light is particles so it
> | doesn't
> | > | need a medium.
> | >
> | > Light is a wave. Photons have both wave and particle aspects. The
only
> | way
> | > to reconcile their wave-particle duality is with a medium. That
medium
> | is
> | > for sure the quantum vacuum. A hundred years ago, this was not
known.
> | Get
> | > your mind out of the past. This is the 21st century. Space-time is
not
> | the
> | > same at the quantum level as it is macroscopically. Vacuum quantum
> | objects
> | > are defining space-time.
> |
> | Take your own mind from the 19th century, Freddi! You accept quantum
> | theory, so where is the need for a pervasive medium, when quantum
> | mechanically, there is no volume to be filled?
>
> Mind explaining this "no volume to be filled"? What does that mean?
What
> volume are you talking about? How do you propose that space-time has a
> certain geometry without something defining it?
Quantum mechanics does not require distance, only sequence. Without
distance, there is no volume. Without volume there is no place, or need,
for aether. It is a "solution" to a statistical illusion.
> The Universe is mechanical
> even if it is quantum mechanical.
So sure are you?
David A. Smith
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