Re: Aether is the empty space in which the Universe sits

From: Paul Stowe (ps_at_acompletelyjunkaddress.net)
Date: 08/22/04 

Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:18:34 GMT

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:38:47 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N: dlzc1
D:cox T:net@nospam.com> wrote:

>Dear Paul Stowe:
>
>"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:43:41 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N:
>dlzc1
>> D:cox T:net@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ole D. Rughede:
>>>
>>> "Ole D. Rughede" <ole.rughede@privat.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:412893e1$0$285$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>>>>
>>>> "N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com>

 [Snip...]

>>>> David, what do you mean by "no volume to be filled"?
>>>> Is space disappearing? Isn't the quantum vacuum filled
>>>> with quanta like the ZPE-vacuum was filled with positive
>>>> and negative energies? Where in the universe will you
>>>> find a true empty vaccum, meaning space without any
>>>> mass or energy? The is space-time-energy continuum
>>>> is the aether.
>>>
>>> The spacetime continuum is a statistical illusion.
>>
>> Let's coin this "The Matrix Argument"...
>
> No let's don't. The Matrix was a religious/philosophical allegory.
> I think we are discussing science. Right?

 The Matrix was an allegory all right, a comment about what IS
 reality? and how can we tell it we we 'see' it. Your comment,

     "The spacetime continuum is a statistical illusion."

 falls squarely into that category. If you think it is science then
 be specific enough for others to follow along. That means you must
 provide at least enough detail to make the point.

>>> Quantum mechanics doesn't require distance, only yields it up
>>> "statistically". No distance, no volume. No volume no need
>>> for aether.
>>
>> All QM is is "statistical"... Look at the new issue of Scientific
>> American. Just because we can deal with something "statistically"
>> does not mean there is no underlying processes. In fact, that we
>> can deal "statistically" with it strongly suggests otherwise. I
>> perfer SED's philosophical foundation.
>
> Preferences notwithstanding, the statistical results of QM don't
> rely on distance. Your argment is invalid.

 Show us an example... I don't understand where you're coming from.

>>> Well enough. If you invoke quantum mechanics, you give up aether,
>>> and a good deal of relativity as well. The "integration" into
>>> spacetime becomes illusion.
>>
>> No that's very funny given that SR is founded upon illusion.
>> That of the observer-centric perspective...
>
> As noted, SR, GR and LET *fail* at the quantum level. And QM
> doesn't seem (yet) to yield up spacetime (on any particular base,
> aether or not).

 All continuum based processes 'fail' at a small enough scale. Didn't
 you learn this in basic kinetic theory?

>>> Wow, all in one long sentence! The length of that sentence alone
>>> should have pushed something into orbit. I notice you and your
>>> kin are as far from interstellar drive as the rest of us. So you
>>> are wasting your energy justifying the unnecessary. How nice.
>>
>> Where & when did an 'interstellar drive' enter into this thread???
>
> The point being, energy wasted to "justifying" an aether that must
> remain undetectable to agree with experiment,

 You (and others) have a very strange & uncommon notion of 'detectable'.
 The aether is detected, continuously.

> ... and made moot by quantum mechanics anyway, ...

 No it isn't, IMO...

> ... is not advancing the cause of mankind. Just my opinion of course.

 You're entitled to your opinion :)

 You're also entitled to not be mocked or harassed because of it...

 Paul Stowe

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