Re: Reflections on Aether

From: Bill Hobba (bhobba_at_rubbish.net.au)
Date: 08/23/04 

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:48:13 GMT

"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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> |
> | "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | > "Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> | > | In article <2os9bpFdhhq1U1@uni-berlin.de>,
> | > | FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> | > | >[sci.physics.relativity added where this is more on topic]
> | > | >"Robert J. Kolker" <robert_kolker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | >news:Wb5Wc.68559$TI1.19770@attbi_s52...
> | > | >| Here is an excerpt from Kevin Brown's book -Reflections on
> | Relativity-
> | > | >| which is available in the entirety at www.mathpages.com.
> | > | >|
> | > | >| He shows that a fluidic theory of aether cannot be maintained.
Read
> | it
> | > | >| and judge for yourself.
> | > | >
> | > | >Here is an excerpt from Volovik's "The Universe in a Helium
Droplet".
> | > Read
> | > | >it and judge for yourself.
> | > | >
> | > | >"CONCLUSION
> | > | >
> | > | >According to the modern view the elementary particles (electrons,
> | > neutrinos,
> | > | >quarks, etc.) are excitations of some more fundamental medium
called
> | the
> | > | >quantum vacuum. This is the new ether of the 21st century. The
> | > | >electromagnetic and gravitational Fields, as well as the Fields
> | > transferring
> | > | >the weak and the strong interactions, all represent different types
> of
> | > | >collective motion of the quantum vacuum.
> | > |
> | > | Your program seems to be to prove the existence of the aether by
> finding
> | > | ANYTHING about which any analogy to the aether can be made, and just
> | > | call it the aether. But what is the point of that? It serves no
> | purpose
> | > | except to confuse definitions by extending an old term to new
concepts
> | > | that already have names.
> | >
> | > I call it the quantum vacuum. I don't know where you got the above
> | > impression from. Apparently you have not read much of Volovik's book.
> | >
> | > | The electromagnetic field is not an aether, it is a field. The
> | > | gravitational field is not an aether, it is the geometric structure
of
> | > | spacetime.
> | >
> | > There is no way in hell that spacetime is going to have a geometric
> | > structure of any kind without vacuum quantum objects defining it.
> |
> | For any theory - there is no way in hell **** has such and such property
> | without something else causing it. And the same applies to the new
theory
> | that explains ****. You get yourself precisely nowhere going down such
a
> | path.
>
> You need to stop thinking of the old ideas of an aether and get with the
> modern program. Vacuum charge = +,- sqrt(hbar*c) and no one has been able
> to refute this yet. The quantum vacuum is not devoid of action thus hbar
> can be and is due to a vacuum process. We already know that c is due to a
> vacuum process. You will not find many particle physicists that *don't*
> think the quantum vacuum is a dielectric medium that screens charge.

I think that is beyond doubt. The question I have is the importance one
places on it eg I have expressed the view the vacuum state is simply an
artifact of combining QM and SR and not something fundamental - you
disagree. I have no problem with that - your view is reasonable.

Thanks
Bill

> The
> solution is simple; the quantum vacuum is more organized than we think it
> is. Coupled oscillators as opposed to only uncoupled oscillators.
>
> FrediFizzx
>

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