Re: Aether is the empty space in which the Universe sits
From: Dale Trynor (dalet_at_nbnet.nb.ca)
Date: 08/23/04
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:01:35 GMT
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
> Dear Dale Trynor:
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> "Dale Trynor" <dalet@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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>>N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
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>>>Dear Ole D. Rughede:
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>>>>>Take your own mind from the 19th century, Freddi!
>>>>>You accept quantum theory, so where is the need for
>>>>>a pervasive medium, when quantum mechanically,
>>>>>there is no volume to be filled?
>>>>
>>>>David, what do you mean by "no volume to be filled"?
>>>>Is space disappearing? Isn't the quantum vacuum filled
>>>>with quanta like the ZPE-vacuum was filled with positive
>>>>and negative energies? Where in the universe will you
>>>>find a true empty vaccum, meaning space without any
>>>>mass or energy? The is space-time-energy continuum
>>>>is the aether.
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>>>The spacetime continuum is a statistical illusion. Quantum mechanics
>>>doesn't require distance, only yields it up "statistically". No
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> distance,
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>>>no volume. No volume no need for aether.
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>>Dale Trynor wrote:
>>You must not have seen my postings looking at experimental approaches to
>>showing how time can be related to volume and how this in turn is very
>>suggestive of a quantum mechanical association.
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>
> I hadn't.
Dale Trynor wrote:
I have been posting on it for a few years now. Rather than post the
whole gedanken for now I will try to just give a very short review.
A point here should be made of the difficulty of showing how an object
should become contracted just by being deep within a gravity well due to
gravitys time dilating effects' after all if its just sitting there it
wont tell you much. Using gravitational lens's and the Shapiro effect
allows one to remain outside and do ones measuring as well as
extrapolations.
I do appear to have been successful in showing by a modified analogy to
the polvalt in barn gedanken, where we change it to also include a black
hole inside the barn along with its time dilating effects. One can show
that a relativistic rod would indeed be contracted on entering an area
of slower light speed in such a way that it would also measure more
distance from its frame of reference within such a barn. The analogy is
based on the Shapiro effect where light is delayed as it passes by a
gravitational body and its delay is more than just what the bent path
alone would add.
A quick and simple analogy is where you have runners that on entering a
tunnel suddenly slow to a walk, note how they would appear to become
closer together allowing more of them to fit within the tunnel before
they start to exit from the other end. Now note that because we have
done this by using a slower time that in their frame of reference they
never slowed down at all but are still running to their prospective.
Similar analogys can be made of light entering a glass rod where its
speed is 1/2 its original value and you can show how a 1 meter long
pulse would be contained in a 1/2 meter long rod before it starts to
exit the other end.
Making these types of associations with how time is directly related to
space in a literal sense allows one to make farther predictions on the
quantum vacuum in those relationships.
This theory leads to explaining how black holes will have a minimal
orbit that on passing all other orbits will have become longer to the
prospective of a traveler. It results in showing how black hole
formations give the same predictions as those given for inflation theory
if you could be an observer inside of one when it formed.
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>>If you dont remember, it was showing how the sort of time dilation one
>>gets around black holes and other massive objects to a lesser extent
>>must contract matter and all references on length in such a way that
>>leads to the measure of more space.
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> Time is part of spacetime, and is therefore an illusion provided by quantum
> interaction.
>
I find calling it an illusion a bit odd why in the word would you
believe that.
Actually one of the better hypothesis on why it might actually be more
space than the alternative of simply a smaller measure of the same
space, is that one has some good arguments on how gravity is expected to
be conserved.
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>>Showing the how and why that something like the Casimir plates that
>>actually measure propertys of the vacuum, cannot be used as a preferred
>>references frame is critical to further support the idea that quantum
>>vacuum is directly connection with the volume of space.
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>
> The answers that the Casimir plates provide, says little about the space
> between them, but lots about the space outside them. So it says little
> about the quantum vacuum, but lots about the statistical system in which
> the plates are embedded.
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> David A. Smith
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>
Not sure here what you mean either. Why dosent saying a lot about the
quantum vacuum outside the plates, just as reasonably tell you a lot
about between them.
It may however be important that one can show how Casimir plates would
give the same expected results despite everything having become
contracted. Remember that each time the distance in the plates were 1/2
as great they also pull together by 16 times the force. If matter and
all references contract how would one prevent this from being used as a
preferred frame of reference allowing our astronaut to tell his position
without looking outside at other references. You know all this Lorents
invariance is important and understanding how Casimir plates should be
no exception should give us clues as to how nature works.
Probably worth pointing out that if a time dilation of 1/2 results in a
contraction on the lengths of all of his measuring tools by an equal 1/2
that this also equates to a 3d volume
change of 8 times less for all of his references compared to their
original volume. Note that our astronaut traveler will then be measuring
the size of the black hole to be an equally much greater volume because
of this length and volume decrease of all of his references on volume
and length potentially giving our astronaut more space from his
prospective. Its not to be confused with Lorents contraction and I will
explain why if you dont already see it.
One of the proposed
experiments results in the same sort of movements as those given for the
sort of space expansion as attributed to dark matter and I will explain
why if you show an interest. I already spent more time on this than I
expected to and it dosent help that I really should have had an updated
web site eliminating the need. Ones I have now have too many unfixed
errors concerning the physics itself to recommend at this time.
Dale
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