Re: The Pentagon 9/11 Farce

From: 1aircraftQAguy (glennab1_at_aol.com)
Date: 08/25/04 

Date: 25 Aug 2004 06:48:51 -0700

Bango Skank <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message news:<Xns954FC2AAB9F5spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17>...
> glennab1@aol.com (1aircraftQAguy) wrote in
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> > "Alas, Babylon" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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> >> glennab1@aol.com (1aircraftQAguy) wrote in
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> >> > "Homeland_Insecurity" <insecurity@homeland.net> wrote in message
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> >> >> "1aircraftQAguy" <glennab1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> > "Homeland_Insecurity" <insecurity@homeland.net> wrote in message
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> >> >> > > "1aircraftQAguy" <glennab1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> > > > "Alas, Babylon" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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> >> >> > > > > glennab1@aol.com (1aircraftQAguy) wrote in
> >> >> > > > > news:a83bb3a1.0408201228.537cadc7@posting.google.com:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > "Alas, Babylon" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
> >> >> > > > > > news:<Xns9546B7418B493spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17>...
> >> >> > > > > >> Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com> wrote in
> >> >> > > > > >> news:pan.2004.08.15.02.05.35.495250@elaborate.com:
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:56:47 +0000, Alas, Babylon
> >> >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > >> >> "Homeland_Insecurity" <insecurity@homeland.net> wrote
> >> >> > > > > >> >> in
> news:wXoTc.33539
> >> >> > > > > >> >> $js3.12383634@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>> "running with scissors"
> <aabbcc_running_with_scissors@hotmail.com>
> >> >> > > > > >> wrote
> >> >> > > > > >> in
> >> >> > > > > >> >>> message
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>> usenet is littered with links to your stupidity.
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>> which airbus is it that has RB211's on ? or has the
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>> same
> >> >> gear
> >> >> as
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>> a
> 757-200?
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>> stupid ***.
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>> Pencil ***, when will you show this rb211 engine?
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >> It's great, isn't it?
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >> They claim two 757 engines are recovered, but there
> >> >> > > > > >> >> are no
> photos.
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >> They claim bodies were recovered IN SEATS, but no
> >> >> > > > > >> >> photos of
> the
> >> >> > > > > >> >> seats.
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >> They cite the ASCE report, which doesn't support a
> >> >> > > > > >> >> 757.
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > >> >> And then they call me a troll...
> >> >> > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > >> > I'd like to thank the parents and teachers of the world
> >> >> > > > > >> > for
> doing
> >> >> > > > > >> > such a great job with the children....
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >> Let me guess, you could debunk the pages, but you don't
> >> >> > > > > >> feel like
> it.
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >> Or you already have, but you can't give us a link.
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >> Right?
> >> >> > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > You want to see a picture of engine debris? There's one
> >> >> > > > > > here: http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > There's also wheel, landing gear, fuselage skin, and
> >> >> > > > > > aircraft corrosion resistant primer painted parts
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > None of that can be identified as 757 debris. It's just
> >> >> > > > > debris of
> some
> >> >> > > > > kind.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Sure it can, the wheel is from a 757, the engine part is an
> >> >> > > > RB-211 combustion case.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kook, where is this rb211 engine?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > >I hope you do have more evidence than something from a UFO
> >> >> > > > >site.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Why, it's right up the alley with your conspiracy sites?
> >> >> > > > Hell, you'd have some BS to say if it had been a major network
> >> >> > > > news site I linked to.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > You didn't notice the links to the original webpages/sites
> >> >> > > > where the info came from?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kook, where is this rb211 engine?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Push the stop button......... your recording is playing in a
> >> >> > loop.........
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've already addressed the RB211 debris in one of the other
> >> >> > related
> >> >> threads.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, it conclusively shows that there was some engine debris, just
> >> >> not what you claim,
> >> >> a rb211 at the Pentagon.
> >> >
> >> > Wrong!
> >> >
> >> > How much experience do you have with 757's and/or RB-211's?
> >> >
> >> > I have nearly ten years of daily experience at a 757 overhaul
> >> > facility. Experience includes; RB-211 engine borescope, NDT, and
> >> > detail visual inspections, 757 airframe structure and components -
> >> > detail visual inspections and NDT, 757 wheel and brake shop - detail
> >> > visual inspections and NDT of disassembled wheels.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How can you identify it, yet the companies who make it can't?
> >
> > Direct me to where the companies involved have stated they can't
> > identify the parts!
> >
>
> http://www.realnews247.com/911_pentagon_photos_show_engine_part.htm
>
> American Free Press contacted the U.S. Air Force, American Airlines, Rolls
> Royce in Indianapolis, and others to ask for help identifying the part, but
> no one is willing to discuss the photographs. In several cases the
> spokesmen were ready to provide a statement before even seeing the photos.
>
> John W. Brown from Rolls Royce said, ?It is not a part from any Rolls Royce
> engine that I?m familiar with, and certainly not the AE3007H made here in
> Indy.?

Guess what? I live in Indianapolis. Rolls-Royce bought Allison
Engine Company, Allison Gas Turbine Division here in Indy in 1995. My
next door neighbor has worked there for 25 years and his father
retired from there. Roll-Royce hasn't changed a thing there, except
the name on the door. So, it's no wonder John Brown wasn't familiar
with the part. BTW, the Allison AE3007H that John referenced just
happens to be the powerplant for the Global Hawk......
So, that shoots any Global Hawk theory all to hell.

American Airlines employees are most probably barred from publicly
discussing anything pertaining to company business (as employees at
every company I've ever heard of are). I'm sure they'd like to keep
their jobs.

The Air Force? What do they have to do with this? LOL

Nice try, It's obvious you didn't even read the story.

> 03/Controversy_Swirling/controversy_swirling.html
>
> Controversy Swirling Over September 11 Pentagon Mystery: Industry Experts
> Can?t Explain Photo Evidence
>
> Exclusive to American Free Press
>
> By Christopher Bollyn
>
>
>
> Since AFP first published a photograph from the 9-11 Pentagon crash site,
> there has been a great outpouring of interest?and disinfo.
>
>
>
> When American Free Press published a hard-to-find photo from the Federal
> Emergency Management Agency?s (FE MA) archive showing a small turbine disc
> from the Pentagon crash site, it was hoped that readers could help identify
> the object (Sept. 15 & 22). Since the photo and article were published
> there has been an outpouring of interest?and disinformation?about the
> unidentified jet engine part.
>
> The photograph reveals a crucial piece of evidence, which if positively
> identified could help prove what kind of aircraft hit the Pentagon on Sept.
> 11, 2001.
>
> ?Is this the 9-11 smoking gun?? Fintan Dunne, editor of WagKingdom.com asks
> on a web page dedicated to the FEMA photographs. These photos could be the
> keys to unlock the cover-up, Dunne wrote on Oct. 7.
>
> ?Among all the arguments about 9-11: tower fires, WTC 7 collapse, etc.,
> none seems as straightforward as that posed by the jet engine part,? Dunne
> said. If the Pentagon photos are authentic, he said, then either the
> turbine is from a Boeing 757, or it is not. The web site appeals to ?aero
> engineers? for help in identifying the disc seen in the FEMA photos.
>
> The photograph is one of many taken by Jocelyn Augustino, a FEMA
> photographer, at the Pentagon crash site on Sept. 13, 2001. In the FEMA on-
> line photo library, the best photos of the unidentified disc are numbered
> 4414 and 4415, archived at: www.photolibrary.fema.gov/
> photolibrary/advancedsearch.do.
>
> Several readers wrote to AFP suggesting that the unidentified disc was a
> piece from the Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) mounted in the tail section of a
> Boeing 757. Honeywell makes the GTCP331-200 APU used on the 757 aircraft.
> No one suggested, however, that the small disc was a piece from one of the
> main engines of a 757-200.
>
> AFP contacted Honeywell?s Aerospace division in Phoenix, Ariz., and sent
> high-resolution photos for their examination. ?There?s no way that?s an APU
> wheel,? an expert at Honeywell told AFP. The expert, who cannot be named,
> added: ?That turbine disc?there?s no way in the world that came out of an
> APU.?
>
> American Free Press contacted Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce,
> manufacturers of the 757?s turbofan jet engines to try and identify the
> piece.
>
> ?If the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by
> American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engine,? Mark
> Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP.
>
> John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously
> told AFP: ?It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I?m familiar
> with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.?
>
> The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna
> Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military?s unmanned aircraft,
> the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman?s
> subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July
> 1999.
>
> If the government version that an American Airlines 757-200 hit the
> Pentagon is accurate, then the object in the photo would have to be from a
> Rolls Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine.
>
> When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown
> balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information.
>
> Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535,
> or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer.
>
> AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE
> 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: ?No,? Brown said. ?I don?t build
> the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company.?
>
> Rolls Royce produces the RB211-535 engines for American Airlines 757-200
> aircraft at a plant in Derby, England. Martin Johnson, head of
> communications at Rolls Royce in Derby, said he had followed the story
> closely in American Free Press and had also been notified in advance by
> Rolls Royce offices in Seattle and Indianapolis.
>
> However, rather than address the question of the unidentified disc, Johnson
> launched a verbal attack on this reporter for questioning the government
> version of events at the Pentagon on 9-11. ?You are the only person in the
> world who does not believe that a 757 hit the Pentagon,? Johnson said. ?The
> idea that we can have a reasonable conversation is beyond your wildest
> dreams,? Johnson said and hung up the phone.
>
> Flug Revue, a German magazine about aviation equipment was more willing to
> discuss the disc. Karl Schwarz, a technical editor at the Bonn-based
> publication, examined the photo and technical drawings of the RB211-535 for
> AFP. ?I think only an engineer who is involved in the design of the engine
> could identify the part,? Schwarz said.
>
> While the front fan of the RB211-535 has a 74.5-inch diameter, compression
> discs inside the engine are much smaller. Schwarz said the inner discs are
> between 29 and 41 inches in diameter. ?It could well be? an inner
> compression disc, Schwarz said. The discs from the inner stages are made of
> titanium, he added.
>
> AFP asked Schwarz if this could be a disc from a smaller engine, such as
> the Global Hawk?s AE 3007H. ?It could come from any jet engine,? Schwarz
> said.
>
> If the disc in the photo can be matched with a Rolls Royce AE 3007H engine,
> some speculate that it would prove something like a Global Hawk hit the
> Pentagon.
>
> The Global Hawk engine is hand built at the Rolls Royce plant in
> Indianapolis and has an opening diameter of 43.5 inches. Schwarz said he
> did not have a technical diagram of an AE 3007 engine to consult.
>
> Because the disc in the photo appears very similar in size and shape to the
> front fan of a Global Hawk engine, AFP asked Schwarz in what position is
> the solid disc found behind the front fan of a turbofan engine.
> ?Immediately,? Schwarz said.
>
> An unnamed former cruise missile engineer for the engine manufacturer
> Teledyne Continental Motors-Turbine Engines added his opinion to the
> debate:
>
> ?Clearly, the part in the picture is larger than 24 inches in diameter. It
> also appears to have a nosepiece-like device on its front. This probably
> houses bearings, front oil sump and perhaps an alternator or starter.?
>
> This engineer concluded with the intriguing comment, ?This fan did not come
> from a cruise missile engine.?