Re: Yes Science Needs God

From: Gregory L. Hansen (glhansen_at_steel.ucs.indiana.edu)
Date: 08/28/04 

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC)

In article <MFQXc.10317$D7.6179@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Bill Hobba <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote:
>
>"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
>news:cglhtt$dgr$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
>> In article <9c3da975.0408261111.4322cc4b@posting.google.com>,
>> Mitchell <macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote:
>> >"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> >news:<2p5pudFgddgiU3@uni-berlin.de>...
>> >> Mitchell wrote:
>> >> > Science says a mindless lump created this universe. But who created
>> >> > that so called "singularity?" Science won't admit God even when faced
>> >> > with Him.
>> >> > Mitch Raemsch
>> >>
>> >> And which God created God. Did He create himself? The concept is
>> >> empirically unsuportable, there for it must be expelled from science.
>> >>
>> >> Bob Kolker
>> >
>> >The universe needs to be created. That is obvious. God doesn't.
>>
>> God needs to be created, that is equally obvious. Since he's been around
>> since the beginning of time, and time didn't exist before the Big Bang,
>> it follows that God was created in the Big Bang, along with the rest of
>> the universe.
>
>I believe in the God of Spinoza - does that God need to also be created?
>BTW according to inflation models something did exist before the big bang -
>the false vacuum. Your argument rests on God existing in time which,
>depending on you conception of God, may or may not be true.

You're too hard to argue with. It's easy to stay a step ahead of Mr.
"Everything needed to be created by someone, except for God", because
there's an infinite regress to tread.

Obviously, a better understanding of cosmology will bring important
insight to theology. 

-- 
"Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of
Congress... But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

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