Re: Reflections on Aether

From: Bjoern Feuerbacher (feuerbac_at_thphys.uni-heidelberg.de)
Date: 08/30/04 

Date: 30 Aug 2004 09:35:01 -0700

monitek@aol.com (Monitek) wrote in message news:<20040823011555.16562.00002656@mb-m22.aol.com>...

Oh, hi, here you are! Say, what happened to our e-mail discussion? I
see that
you still make the same arguments, which I rebutted several times
already...

[snip]

> Let us consider something which is nothing- a positron and an electron in the
> annihilated state. Let us assume that in the annihilated state the electron
> pair still exists but the physical properties have been cancelled, no charge
> no mass.

*What* exists still there, if there is no charge and no mass anymore?

Oh, BTW, this "cancelling" of the charges *still* does contradict
charge
conservation.

> In this state they can not interact with neutral matter.

And not with electromagnetic fields, since there is no charge anymore.

[snip]

> It has been shown that pairs are partially separated in the vicinity of a
> charged particle, (Topaz and Muon G-2)

That experiment showed nothing like that.

> and that given sufficient impetus can be
> made to separate completely and form new matter (Slac E144).

That experiment showed nothing like that.

Say, how do you plan to give an impetus to particles which have
neither mass nor charge?

> I consider pair
> creation and pair annihilation to demonstrate a reversible process to and from
> the vacuum, a dielectric medium of electron positron pairs.

Since according to yourself the electrons and positrons do not have a
charge
anymore, the vacuum is *not* a dielectric medium.

 
> So what I hear you say, well with such a now you see me now you dont medium we
> can explain the propagation of light (EMR) and the phenomenon of inertia.
>
> We all know that EMR is generated when a charged particle changes velocity.
> Note that a charged particle produces a constant magnetic field and an
> accelerating charge produces a changing magnetic field. A changing magnetic
> field has the property if inducing a current in an adjacent conducting medium,
> a constant magnetic field does not. To initiate EMR and accelerating electron
> creates a magnetic field the magnetic field then induces an opposite current
> in the dielectric medium,

See above. The electrons and positrons in the "cancelled pairs" don't
have a
charge anymore, according to yourself, and hence the vacuum is not a
dielectric
medium.

> this current is the separation of the pairs in the vacuum.

How can they be separated by an electric or a magnetic field if they
don't have
a charge anymore on which these fields could act?

> An electron going up say with a positron going down is equivalent to 2
> electrons going in the same direction. For the purists the electrons will not
> have full charge, they only have full charge when sufficient separation
> distance is achieved.

And yet again you contradict charge conservation.

> So for EMR propagation a pair with electron going up
> creates a magnetic field which induces a pair with the electron going down
> which creates a magnetic field which induces a pair separation with the
> electron going up etc.

Also "etc." for my arguments above.

> A description of EMR propagation with alternating
> electric and magnetic fields in a medium which when the EMR has passed does
> not appear to exist.

This sentence makes no sense. Apparently some words are missing in it.

 
> Now, for inertia. As we have described above an accelerating charge creates a
> magnetic field, the same magnetic field creates a back emf in the initial
> conducting medium

Which the vacuum still is not.

> which opposes the motion of the charged particles creating
> the magnetic field. Inertia is the same phenomenon where charged matter which
> is accelerating is opposed by the back emf from the magnetic fields created in
> the vacuum.

People have tried to calculate this decades ago. It doesn't work. E.g.
this idea
predicts for the electron a size which is about 1000 times greater
than the
upper limit obtained for its size experimentally.

> Matter consists of charged particles of opposite polarities in
> close proximity, the EMR generated from each particle when a body is
> accelerated is cancelled by the EMR from an immediately adjacent oppositely
> charged particle.

This would only work if the particles were at exactly the same place,
not if
they are only "adjacent".

> Thus no external radiation phenomena can be seen all that is
> observed is the resistance to acceleration. The link between inertia an
> electromagnetic induction is the fact that both only occur when a system of
> charged particles is subjected to an acceleration.

Err, photons also have something like inertia.

 
> Two phenomena explained using and electron positron aether, plus matter from
> the vacuum and matter reverting to the vacuum all are in strong support of an
> electron positron vacuum.

And you keep ignoring that
1) cancellation of charges contradicts charge conservation
2) if the charges are cancelled, electromagnetic fields can no longer
have any effects on the particles.

Both arguments destroy your ideas totally.

 
Bye,
Bjoern

Quantcast