Re: Final Evidence: No 757 Hit The Pentagon
From: 1aircraftQAguy (glennab1_at_aol.com)
Date: 09/07/04
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Date: 7 Sep 2004 08:02:48 -0700
"C-Fresh" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message news:<Xns955CD757471CAspamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17>...
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> >> >> > > > > What do you think it is and what do you base that on?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I think it is smoke/exhaust, based on it's characteristics in
> >> >> > > > the
> still
> >> >> > > > frames.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > In fact, it's patently obvious it is smoke.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Someone said it was dust, but dust doesn't form tight little
> >> >> > > > contrails
> like
> >> >> > > > that. It's a more generalized cloud.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Ralph said it was water vapor, which is even less believable.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Can you name a single piece of information external to the photo
> >> >> > > which
> can
> >> >> > > be used to substantiate any particular explanation of the
> >> >> > > cloudlet?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Answer yes or no: Do you know what it is?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > If you don't, then why are you presuming to tell other people
> >> >> > > what you
> think
> >> >> > > it is?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because this is usenet and we're allowed to tell anybody what we
> >> >> > think.
> >> >>
> >> >> Indeed. And then people will ask for a little something more than
> >> >> rank opinion. Ask him if he has any evidence that it's smoke ....
> >> >> or anything else, for that matter.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well, it IS something, that's obvious. The question is not; does the
> >> > thing exist. The question is what is it and what's causing it. I
> >> > don't believe it's a missile being fired by a killer jet. I think
> >> > it's too well formed to be dust kicked up from the construction site.
> >> > It might be smoke from an engine burning after knocking down a few
> >> > lamp posts.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why would dust form a tight contrail behind the object?
> >
> > For the short time frame we're talking about....... yes.
>
>
> Sure it would.
Yes it would.
> >> No engine struck a post, either.
> >
> > There was a witness report that the 757 hit a light post.
>
> Cite?
>
> Of course not.
>
You're wrong, as usual!
Father Stephen McGraw had taken a wrong turn on his way to Arlington
National Cemetery the morning of September 11, 2001. After taking the
Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, Fr. McGraw found himself
mired in traffic, stewing impatiently over being late for a planned
graveside service. Suddenly the priest heard a deafening roar as a
large aircraft passed directly over the roof of his car. "It looked
like a plane coming in for a landing … I mean, in the sense that it
was controlled and sort of straight," recalled Fr. McGraw.
The priest "looked out just as the plane clipped an overhead sign and
then toppled a light pole, injuring a taxi driver a few feet away,"
recounts investigative author James Bamford in his new book A Pretext
for War. "A second later, American Flight 77 smashed into the gray
concrete wall of the Pentagon. The jet hit with such force that it
penetrated four of the five concentric rings of corridors and offices
surrounding a gazebo in the center court, long nicknamed Ground Zero."
"I saw it crash into the building," testifies the priest. "There was
an explosion and a loud noise, and I felt the impact. I remember
seeing a fireball come out of two windows.... I saw an explosion of
fire billowing through those two windows. I remember hearing a gasp or
scream from one of the other cars near me. Almost a collective gasp,
it seemed."
That "collective gasp" was wrenched from the throats of numerous
witnesses who — like Father McGraw — saw the crash with their own
eyes, heard the explosions with their own ears, and felt the
percussive aftershock with their own bodies.
"Did you see that?" exclaimed Aydan Kizildrgli, a student from Turkey
who had also been snarled in traffic. Notes Bamford: "Traffic along
the highway came immediately to a halt as people jumped out of their
cars and began putting their cell phones to their ears. Stunned and
dazed, Kizildrgli left his car on the road and began walking aimlessly
for half an hour."
Also among the eyewitnesses were Dan Creed and two colleagues from
Oracle Software, who, seated in a car near the Naval Annex, watched in
horrified wonder as the hijacked plane dived, leveled off and struck
the Pentagon next door. Telling his story to the Phoenix, Arizona,
Ahwatukee Foothills News, Creed recalled the dreadful events. "It was
no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just
screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point,"
said Creed.
Moments later, the plane struck the Pentagon, killing all 64 of its
passengers and crew. The crash took the lives of another 125 people on
the ground. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now.
It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed,
going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalled.
Frank Probst, an employee of the Pentagon Renovation Program Office,
was outside the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. In an
interview with the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), Probst
gave his own eyewitness account. He had been watching live television
coverage of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center tower in
one of the construction site trailers.
Around 9:30 a.m., Probst left the trailer and (as paraphrased in an
ASCE report) "began walking to the Modular Office Compound … located
beyond the extreme north end of the Pentagon" for a 10 o'clock
meeting. Approaching the heliport, he looked over and saw "a plane
flying low over the Annex and heading right for him." Understandably,
Probst "hit the ground and observed the right wing tip pass through
the portable 750 kW generator" that provided backup power to a portion
of the Pentagon. He saw the right engine take out "the chain-link
fence and posts surrounding the generator." The left engine, he said,
"struck an external steam vault before the fuselage entered the
building."
Probst described to the ASCE how, "as the fireball from the crash
moved toward him," he ran toward the South Parking Lot. He said that
he fell down twice, and while running, "fine pieces of wing debris
floated down about him." He only saw "fire and smoke within the
building at the point of impact."
The ASCE also interviewed Don Mason, another employee of the Pentagon
Renovation Program Office. At the time of the crash, Mason was
"stopped in traffic west of the building," according to the ASCE
account of his story. "The plane approached low," flying "directly"
over him, "possibly clipping the antenna of the vehicle immediately
behind him." It also "struck three light poles between him and the
building."
Mason, the ASCE recounted, said that he saw his colleague Probst
"directly in the plane's path, and he witnessed a small explosion as
the portable generator was struck by the right wing." He also recalled
"seeing the tail of the plane" as it entered the building, followed by
a "fireball that erupted" upon the plane's impact.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm
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