Re: Eotvos: Une questionne pour le Oncle du Al

From: Dale Trynor (dalet_at_nbnet.nb.ca)
Date: 09/08/04 

Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:06:25 GMT

hanson wrote:
> "Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
> news:w1B%c.172722$Lj.75299@fed1read03...
>
>>>Uncle Al wrote:
>>>

[snip]
>>
>
> [hanson]
> Fergi, that was a pretty elegant analogy, your Slinkies' gag.
> It's a neat corollary to Al's L or R foot fitting a sock vs. a shoe.
> The looked for 3DT asymmetry anomaly, producing a slightly
> different F <> m*a for L & R by using two chiral balls is some-
> where at ~ 1:1E^(12-17), just at the borderline of sensitivity of
> the current state of the art in metrology.
>
> I personally think that any such possible effect is/will only really
> manifest another [a] factor (Finestructure constant) further down
> around a few E^(-23) for reasons of nature's self similarity.

[snip]

Dale Trynor wrote:
You might be right about scale and antimatter verses matter has got to
have a few orders of magnitude advantage over quarts.
Hanson have you ever seen a post by me examining an oddly similar
proposed experiment using matter and antimatter, that was quite some
time ago. No since bringing it up to Uncle Al again, he really didn't
find it very agreeable and or even similar to his idea and it even got
me flamed a bit by him. Pity really because at the time I really felt
that it could have somehow found further support for his idea, because
you see this similar but different hypothesis works really well to
explanation CP violations i.e., matter preferences over antimatter in
our universe, without all the violations that are now so relied on to be
true. You must have herd the saying where Einstein claimed that god dose
not play dice with the universe when confronted by the uncertainty
principle, well you could rephrase that to point out that it would be a
lot worse again if it could be shown that nature also cheats. Dont have
much problem with uncertainty but I never found this part reasonable.

Well it goes like this, the hypothesis looks at the idea that antimatter
has some residual anti gravity or what works like an anti gravity
effect. However 1 kg of anything dosent have much gravity so it would
become swamped by earths gravity so that the one kg sample would only
have a few more atoms to make up the same weight as would be the case of
ordinary matter due to the slight gravity repulsion that the sample has.
It still has positive energy so it still weights like ordinary mass its
just that the tiny amount of anti gravity is too small to really notice
here.

But if the masses are of equal mass where we have 1 kg of matter and 1
kg of antimatter the gravitys produced by the two samples are equal to
the gravitys attraction to the positive energy of the two masses making
them become gravitationally neutral. This would cause two planets of
equal mass to pass by each other without hardly any effect even while
objects on their surfaces will still become effected.

If you had two satellites one made of antimatter and the other of
ordinary matter the antimatter satellite would drift into a higher orbit
because its gravity is repulsive. It would display an odd behavior where
smaller satellites would show this effect less so than would a larger
satellite.

So this dose result in equivalence principle violations but it also
leads to hypothesis where antimatter has at least some ways where it can
separate from ordinary matter without the typical violations now relied
on. This dose however require that space is chiral otherwise one could
not have anyway for gravity, thats just another form of space, to
conserve this effect. In this hypothesis we have no way of knowing if
the weak parity violations we observe here are not simply an effect of
the space itself within our universe where the space itself is different.
Its to be noted that this hypothesis results in the requirement of an
antimatter universe where the chiral effects of space itself are
reversed and while hidden from us just as would be the case of the
antimatter, end up with the reverse chirality of both space and matter
being conserved as a result.
Our experimenters in our antimatter universes would simply get the
reversals of everything we measure to be violations in parity and so
while hidden is actually conserved.

The theory is testable if you can get enough antimatter say 1 mg and see
if it gravitationally attracts to 1 mg of ordinary matter, if it dosent
do so would support the theory. Oddly enough the two forms of matter
should weigh differently on a scale and while I haven't looked at it
till now I wonder if the effect might be increased for the same reason
given for the satellites above if the weighing is done on a rotating
plaint. Probably not now that I think about it, but it might be fun to
see if anyone disagrees. Might work up Al a bit tho when the hypothesis
gets more similar.

>
> Anyway, if so and positive then that would certainly merit the suggested
> experiment by Al reaching further into the unknown.
>
> Al, I wish you the best of luck and success,

Yes so do I.

and don't alienate your
> collaborators too much with your abusive talents and loads of
> blustering & blistering Kolker type Jew ***. Remember, even physics
> is ultimately a just social enterprise,
> So,........Let'em sing!....All of'em!....It's beautiful choir!
> ahahahahaha........ahahahanson
Not always particularly wise to offer support. Not only do you not get
paid for this as a certainty, but you can get flamed as a bonus ;). And
to think I complain about being ignored.

Think about this people, if I am smart enough to figure out the secrets
of the universe but am to stooped to figure out when I am wasting my
time, what dose this tell you. Kinda puts an embarrassing twist on the
idea of trying to prove how smart I am dont you think. Well guess I am
used to it as I type this from my mother basement being hollered at to
do some mundane insignificant thing enjoying the wonders of, for all
practical porpoises, being single forever. Could we ever guess why.
:(.

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