Re: What's up with gravity wave detection?

From: Jim Greenfield (greenfield_7_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 09/11/04 

Date: 11 Sep 2004 01:38:04 -0700

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> | > | > | > On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:17:08 GMT, "Androcles"
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> | > | > | > >| > | Jim Greenfield wrote:
> Androcles.
> | > | > | > >
> | > | > | > Einstein warned: "Most mistakes in philosophy and logic occur
> because
> | > | > | > the human mind is apt to take the symbol for reality"
> | > | > |
> | > | > | So the idiot, seeing that the stove was red hot, went ahead and
> put
> | > | > | his hand on it anyway!.........leading to the premise of
> shrinkage,
> | > | > | time warp etc
> | > | > |
> | > | > | (-) is a SYMBOL. Yet Einstein (et al) STILL went ahead and
> considered
> | > | > | "less than zeros" as "REALITY"
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Jim G
> | > | > | c'=c+v
>
> | > | Have a look at how your computer works. There are a series of 0,1 ,
> | > | or (+1) if you like.
> | >
> | > Not really... it uses voltages.
> |
> | Nope! Code 111111000001001011001010101100100100100001100110110....
> | ........not a minus 1 to be seen!
>
> What do you mean, nope?
> I can assure you, MY computer uses voltages.

And NOT this code?? You need a better understanding of the process.
It expresses TWO ONLY possibilities in nature; an "is" or an "is not".
There is NO third possibility in nature. There is 0 or >0 In no case
is there a <0 Using such is fairy land when dealing with natural
entities. You are welcome to give an example of a "less than zero"
entity which occurs in nature. I have already offered a large reward
for same :-)
>
>
> | >
> | > | There are NO (-1)s, because there are NO minus ones in nature.
> | >
> | > 0, 1, -1, i, -i are mathematical entities that are independent of
> nature.
> | > If they didn't exist, I couldn't write them.
> | > Androcles

> |
> | So you DO believe in ghosts!?
>
> Yes, of course I do, even though I can't feel, smell, taste or hear them.
> The other day I was watching Winston Churchill on the History Channel, and
> he's a ghost, he died in 1965. I also saw Hitler. Amazed? There are lots of
> ghosts, people who once lived and are now dead, yet we can see them.
> Einstein is a another evil spirit, one I'd like to exorcize from physics.

I think you must have lost it! Equating the image on a film clip, to
the actual substance of a person in a previous time, is ridiculous.
Eat a magic mushroom- the hallucination is not REAL either, and
neither are the imaginings of "less than zero" ANYTHINGS
>
>
> |After all, I just wrote the word, so they MUST exist.
>
> Well, of course. You pushed an array of buttons in the correct sequence that
> conveyed to me the concept "(You) just wrote the word, so they MUST exist".
> Getting your fingers to do that took signals carried via nerves to control
> the muscles that caused the fingers to move where YOU wanted then to go,
> those signals originated in the physical brain which is as near identical to
> mine as your computer is to mine, but YOU are very different person (mind,
> spirit, ghost) to me. My body is of no interest to you, or yours to me. We
> are communicating over thousands of miles, mind to mind, ghost to ghost. We
> are embodied spirits.

Not me! "Human spirit" is great for those who fear carking it- the
"afterlife" soothes their fears. Future anatomical and biological
sciences will show that our brains work very closely along the lines
of these computers- powered by chemically generated electrical energy,
and entailing the biological equivalents of RAM and ROM
>
>
> | This mathemagics is what brings understanding of reality to a halt.
>
> For you, maybe. I have no trouble distinguishing "reality" as you mean it,
> the interaction of material objects (matter), and words such as
> "understanding" which have no material content.

Think about it! It is the "imaginary" piece of train that is
"vanished" under SR (the LT's). How can something vanish, which only
existed as "an idea" in the first place?
>
>
> | Mathemarazzi confuse (-) between a position, or a direction, and "less
> | than zero".
> I'm afraid it is you that is confused. (-) is a symbol that conveys an idea,
> just as "abcde...xyz" are symbols. When placed in the correct order, they
> form words, examples of which are "trout", "elephant", "me", "not", "into"
> and "Jim". We then construct them into sentences, we convey ideas.
> Mathematics uses a far more precise shorthand than English, but it is a
> language to convey ideas nevertheless. In English I use far more symbols
> than I do in mathematics, but both languages convey ideas.

I can have an "idea" that a wolf ate a sheep. I CANNOT have an idea
that a wolf ate a sheep which had NEVER existed.
Give me here an example of something which has not existed previously:

> Example:
> "The square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the
> other two sides". A great deal of that is missing. I haven't use the word
> "triangle", I have not specified that it is a right-angled triangle, I
> haven't defined "square". I expect you, the reader, to accept what I mean by
> implication. The language of mathematics carries the same idea, but in
> shorthand.

Get a grip! "Hypotenuse" gives all the information about the situation
right there!

> z^2 = x^2+y^2.
> When you see such an equation read it most carefully because it is shorthand
> and contains a paragraph of English. The reason most people have difficulty
> with mathematics is they haven't learned the language and want to speed
> read. That is a skill that only comes after practice, like playing the
> piano. If the equation is familiar it is easy to read. If it is unfamiliar,
> it is harder to read.
> Translate this into English:
> ½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v)).
> I'm not going to, it'll take a page, but you should if you want to
> understand relativity, and you cannot find what is wrong with it if you
> don't understand
> it,even though you may have a gut feel something is wrong. Nitpicking the
> meaning of 'minus' isn't going to be heard by anyone.

Fantastic! Calculus was developed to handle "averages"/changes, right?
So if the velocity of light NEVER ALTERS, why would calculus EVER be
required to deal with its propagation????????
>
> | The concepts you have given as examples are cases in
> | point; the sqrt of a negative number has the same reality factor as
> | the neighbour's daughter's "imaginary friend".
>
> As with z^2 = x^2+y^2 where a right-triangle is implied, the beauty of
> mathematics is that we can extend the concept to forces or velocities, and
> in doing so we deal with negative quantities. In the English language we
> use the term "pull" and "push", in the Mathematic language we say '+' and
> '-'. When we write 'sqrt()', either pull or push is implied, as the
> right-angled triangle is implied in z^2= x^2+z^2.

Spot on! Force is ALWAYS poitive (>0) (so is distance/velocity)
>
> Are we going to accept
> | her view of nature??????
>
> That depends on what was said, our understanding of the language it was
> uttered in, the context in which it was said and whether it was logically
> valid.
> My neighbour's daughter's friend said the next bus is due at 2:07.
> However, my neighbour's daughter is not a malicious child, although she is
> given to flights of fancy. I suspect she means at the local bus stop and not
> the Greyhound terminal in New York, and I suspect she means this afternoon.
> I shall go to the bus stop at 2:00pm, I am meeting a friend from the bus,
> the arrival may be early. Doubtless the child will grow out of talking to
> her dolls, although millions of Christians will never grow out of talking to
> their imaginary god.

You'll miss alot of buses

Jim G
c'=c+v

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