Re: Heisenberg uncertainty principle meanings

From: Mike (eleatis_at_yahoo.gr)
Date: 09/22/04 

Date: 21 Sep 2004 22:58:10 -0700

"Old Man" <nomail@nomail.net> wrote in message news:<_dmdnTHwfI8lKM3cRVn-uQ@prairiewave.com>...
> "zigoteau" <zigoteau@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a836cacf.0409210125.4dfe9887@posting.google.com...
> > "Old Man" <nomail@nomail.net> wrote in message
> news:<6eCdnRlE7NV1y9LcRVn-tw@prairiewave.com>...
> >
> > > Measurements are performed through the Hamiltonian, H.
> >
> > I don't think you've been in a lab for quite a while. Many modern
> > instruments measure the intensity of light. Others measure electrical
> > currents. The results go straight into a computer. The connection with
> > the Hamiltonian and with Newtonian concepts is fairly tenuous, and
> > certainly not essential.
> >
> > > That Planck's constant and the HUP are intrinsic to Nature
> > > is made evident by setting H = constant whereof causality
> > > is then completely absent. HUP interferes with the results
> > > of an observation but is not a result of that observation.
> >
> > ??? But h *is* constant. I do not follow your argument here at all.
>
> As is conventional, "H" is the Hamiltonian, whilst "h"
> is Planck's constant. H = constant WRT position and
> time signifies the absence of interactions or observations
> whereof the intrinsic nature of HUP is unambiguous.
>
> Thus, HUP interferes with the results of an observation
> but is not a result of that observation.
>
> [Old Man]

Classical view of Old Man and slightly distorted. How do you explain
chemical structure then? How does your "Hamiltonian" explain that?

Remember (I'm trying to prevent you adding to your blunders, G=0 in
QM.

Old Man was jst classified as a realist. He must now adhere to
absolute space. If not, Old Man is "eclective".

Mike

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