Re: Where all the physical laws in place before the Big Bang occured?

mmeron_at_cars3.uchicago.edu
Date: 09/24/04 

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:49:57 GMT

In article <4154042b$0$4047$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
>In article <9kH4d.8$25.361@news.uchicago.edu>,
> mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
>>In article <ciumli$eco$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>,
>glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
>>>In article <2rfbb4F18ta1tU1@uni-berlin.de>,
>>>Gernot Frisch <Me@Privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Religion brings wars, plauges, famine, death and destruction.
>>>>
>>>>Yes. That's religions that do not stick to the bible. And don't tell
>>>>me about the crussades, those were not christians, they were beasts
>>>>with a cross on their shields.
>>>
>>>For some reason, this is something that's come to bug me. The Usenet
>>>community holds the Crusades as the epitomy of religion gone wrong, the
>>>slathering Christians that killed their peaceful neighbors for no crime
>>>worse than not being Christian.
>>
>>:-)) Yep, that's the popular PC, culturally sensitive, "look Ma, I'm
>>so noble" view. As for the historical facts, as you say.
>>>
>>>This was at a time of an expanding Muslim empire. They'd taken Northern
>>>Africa, invaded Spain, were attacking Byzantium, up to Italy. The Pope
>>>lived in Italy. If you were the Pope and invaders were in your land,
>what
>>>would you have done? Looks to me like a clash of cultures, not religions
>>>per se, although the difference may be hard to see when each culture
>>>identifies itself by a religion.
>>
>>To put things in perspective, the Crusades, which lasted some 200
>>years, were preceded by about 400 years of Muslim aggresion and
>>followed by another 400 years of the same. The Turks were still
>>trying to take Vienna late in the 17th century.
>
>Where "taking" means making war, not talking and not playing nice.
>
Yes, of course.

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