Re: Where all the physical laws in place before the Big Bang occured?

From: Gregory L. Hansen (glhansen_at_steel.ucs.indiana.edu)
Date: 09/25/04 

Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:26:39 +0000 (UTC)

In article <415552a4$0$4049$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <FT_4d.11$25.960@news.uchicago.edu>,
> mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
>>In article <4154042b$0$4047$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv@aol.com
>writes:
>>>In article <9kH4d.8$25.361@news.uchicago.edu>,
>>> mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
>>>>In article <ciumli$eco$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>,
>>>glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
>>>>>In article <2rfbb4F18ta1tU1@uni-berlin.de>,
>>>>>Gernot Frisch <Me@Privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Religion brings wars, plauges, famine, death and destruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes. That's religions that do not stick to the bible. And don't tell
>>>>>>me about the crussades, those were not christians, they were beasts
>>>>>>with a cross on their shields.
>>>>>
>>>>>For some reason, this is something that's come to bug me. The Usenet
>>>>>community holds the Crusades as the epitomy of religion gone wrong, the
>>>>>slathering Christians that killed their peaceful neighbors for no crime
>>>>>worse than not being Christian.
>>>>
>>>>:-)) Yep, that's the popular PC, culturally sensitive, "look Ma, I'm
>>>>so noble" view. As for the historical facts, as you say.
>>>>>
>>>>>This was at a time of an expanding Muslim empire. They'd taken
>Northern
>>>>>Africa, invaded Spain, were attacking Byzantium, up to Italy. The Pope
>>>>>lived in Italy. If you were the Pope and invaders were in your land,
>>>what
>>>>>would you have done? Looks to me like a clash of cultures, not
>religions
>>>>>per se, although the difference may be hard to see when each culture
>>>>>identifies itself by a religion.
>>>>
>>>>To put things in perspective, the Crusades, which lasted some 200
>>>>years, were preceded by about 400 years of Muslim aggresion and
>>>>followed by another 400 years of the same. The Turks were still
>>>>trying to take Vienna late in the 17th century.
>>>
>>>Where "taking" means making war, not talking and not playing nice.
>>>
>>Yes, of course.
>
>Unfortunately, I've discovered that this has to be explicitly said.

Really? Gosh. Well, then, the expansion of the Muslim empire was not the
result of peaceful missionary work. It was by the sword. Although
proselytizing seemed to work pretty well on invading Mongols... 

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serpent does its skin." -- Aristophanes, Peace, 421 BC
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