Ben Goodger knows that, Linus knows that... how about you ?

From: Jeff_Relf (Me_at_Privacy.NET)
Date: 11/20/04 

Date: 20 Nov 2004 13:55:51 GMT

Hi Tom, Apparently talking to me, You wrote: <<
  Sorry about replying through Rick,
  but your original post never hasn't showed up here... >>

So you were addressing me then ?
I wonder what happened to that post of mine ( Usenet is strange sometimes ).

As much as I loath Rick, I owe a lot to him,
as fewer would read my posts if it wasn't for him.

You wrote: << WinXP wasn't around then,
  so bringing up XP is irrelavent to this discussion. >>
  
No, WinXP comes from Basic, C, DOS, Win 2.0, 3.1, 98, NT, etc.

In 1983 I was coding for DOS, back in 1989 I was coding for Win2.0,
GetClipboardData()'s bizarreness harkons back to that era.
( It also reminds me of how memory used to be managed on early Macs )

Check out this code that uses it ( from X.CPP ): <<
  LnP GetClip() {
    if ( ! OpenClipboard ( Win ) ) {
      ShErr("Clipboard is Locked"); return 0 ; }
    HGLOBAL Mem = GetClipboardData ( CF_TEXT ); LnP Clip = 0 ;
    if ( ! Mem ) { ShErr("No Text in the Clipboard"); return 0 ; }
    LnP P = ( LnP ) GlobalLock ( Mem );
    if ( P && ( rv = strlen ( P ) ) ) { Re_Buff( rv + 2048 + 3 );
      Clip = Buff + 2048 ; memmove ( Clip, P, rv + 1 ); LnP E = Clip + rv ;
      if ( Eq( E - ( rv = strlen( Sep ) ), Sep ) ) E -= rv, * E = 0 ;
      while ( * Clip && ( uchar ) * Clip <= 32 ) Clip ++ ; } P = Clip ;
    GlobalUnlock ( Mem ); CloseClipboard ();
    if ( ! Clip ) { ShErr("Clipboard is Empty"); return 0 ; }
    return Clip ; }
    .........
    typedef char * LnP ;
    #define Re_Buff( N ) free( Buff ), \
      Buff = ( LnP ) malloc( Buff_Room = ER ( N, est_Buff ) )
    const int est_Buff = 10240 ;
    __int64 ER ( __int64 X, __int64 Y ) { return X > Y ? X : Y ; }
    __int64 er ( __int64 X, __int64 Y ) { return X < Y ? X : Y ; } >>
    
    __ http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.CPP

Learn that History, Tom, and the history of C++ and Visual Basic,
which goes back even farther to the 60s and 70s,
and you'll understand the future like I do.

My professional code has roots that go back over 40 years
( long before me, of course ).

Java and C# are like two a smart aleck punks
who merely Think they know what they're talking about ( not unlike Bailo ).

Operating systems are God Damn Fucking Complex objects,
and C++, not C# is Still the best tool for porting apps...

Don't believe me ? Ask Ben Goodger, the lead coder for FireFox.

You wrote: <<
  The fact is that if you would bother to actually do some research,
  you will find that Bill Gates and Co,
  were in fact nervous that browsers in general,
  coupled with Java ( as Rick correctly pointed out )
  would make a Desktop OS such as Windows obsolete.
  Don't you remember the big hubub about network computing ?
  It wasn't just MS putting two and two together either
  - it was the stated goal of the competition
  ( particularly Sun and Netscape )
  Personally, both companies may have been better off
  if they just kept their mouth shut :) >>

Bill Gate is sane, his so-called competition isn't,
that's one reason he's so Fucking rich.

Never, I mean Never , did Bill Gates ( proper ) think
that Java and a Browser could unseat WinXP's dominance on the desktop.

Ben Goodger knows that, Linus knows that... how about you ?

You added <<
  Look - there is no point in debating something with you
  if you aren't willing to take the time to look it up.
  Believe me, a simple google search will make it all clear. >>
  
You Tom, along with Rick, Bailo, Pete and Roy,
could Google all day long into the night, and then through the next day,
reading until you litterally pass out,
...and you guys would not know anything about this topic after you were done.