Re: Wind energy a boon for farmers - tenfold returns !

From: Jim Greenfield (greenfield_7_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 11/22/04 

Date: 22 Nov 2004 15:54:34 -0800

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message news:<rKWdnTEII-wCTTzcRVn-2w@rcn.net>...
> In article <3c4afb26.0411212321.43fd0c62@posting.google.com>,
> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote:
> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message
> news:<v5mdnc2LEMie4z3cRVn-1w@rcn.net>...
> >> In article <3c4afb26.0411181559.11017b5f@posting.google.com>,
> >> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been having newreader bugs so I don't know if my answer
> >> ever made it out. I'm replying again.
> >>
> >> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message
> news:<iOWdnUTlk4xQ4wHcRVn-rA@rcn.net>...
> >> >> In article <3c4afb26.0411171510.62a06ca5@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote:
> >> >> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message
> news:<P5qdnXeMYZv1rgbcRVn-pw@rcn.net>...
> >> >> >> In article <3c4afb26.0411151917.46dc0ce8@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> >> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote:
> >> >> >> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message
> news:<MO6dnfq5qIXuAAXcRVn-iw@rcn.net>...
> >> >> >> >> In article <3c4afb26.0411141814.7719122f@posting.google.com>,
> >> >> >> >> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >alexterrell@yahoo.com (Alex Terrell) wrote in message
> news:<d81e59c9.0411140811.6eabf483@posting.google.com>...
> >> >> >> >> >> greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:<3c4afb26.0411041512.6e3f4074@posting.google.com>...
> >> >> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> One of the problems in the US is Congress' so-called privitazation.
> >> >> What they did was split generation biz from the distribution biz
> >> >> plus making it illegal for the two to communicate directly with
> >> >> each other.
> >> >
> >> >The govt here in its wisdom (joke) privatised the state own generation
> >> >and billing (supply), but not the distribution network.
> >>
> >> So what the government really did was "create jobs" that was
> >> designed to do no useful work.
> >
> >The problem was that the "workers" as employed by the govt owned
> >entities did (according to neutral observers :-) ) F*A* work. The
> >unions could threaten supply at any time, in order to get a wage rise,
> >etc
> >The govt therefore moved that problem to the private sector.
> >Employees of private companies, I strongly suspect, are subject to
> >legally enforcable contracts which stop this threat.
>
> I'm trying not to talk about politics :-); that's what unions
> are all about. I was talking about the daily actions of
> employees and how much of it is useful work.

Unavoidable in this context, although of late the unions have lost a
huge amount of their former power (due to govt actions such as this,
apart from memeber disenchantment)
> >>
> >>
> >> > .. This was in
> >> >order to "reduce electricity prices to the consumer, by encouraging
> >> >competition between producers." Result; an increase of 100% or so, and
> >> >still with the threats of more.
> >>
> >> heh. Not here. The price reduction was set into law so the
> >> power companies (both generators and distributors) aren't
> >> making profits so they're have to reduce maintenance costs
> >> which means the whole fucking grid is a now shoestring and
> >> nobody is allowed to touch the two tin cans.
> >
> >Unreal!
>
> No ***. That's what happens when you have a bunch of lawyers
> solving one perceived problem and a bunch of other lawyers
> trying to lay riders on the original bill.
>
> > ...These multi-nationals need only cry "poor" to the govt to get
> >a electricity price hike passed on to the consumer.
> >The govt shrugs and blames the previous party who instigated the
> >change.
>
> I suppose that's what happens when the political system is based
> on one side winning all.
>
> >>
> >>
> >> > ..Every now and then, a price hike is
> >> >"justified" by the price of the gas which runs the turbines, going up.
> >> >But guess who owns the gas?
> >> >Meanwhile, even with a line passing within a few hundred meters, the
> >> >price of electricity connection in the country makes rural building
> >> >horrendously expensive- sometimes the value of the building!
> >>
> >> Right. Costs of doing business have gone up and the revenue for
> >> selling the product has been frozen by the government; this is how
> >> fucking idiots, a.k.a. politicians, make sure that consumers
> >> don't have to pay for what they use. The only way companies can
> >> glean enough income so they can stay in business is through
> >> all their one-time services such as installation. As those prices
> >> go up, new installations will go down. Now you have an economy
> >> that is starting the basis of sprialing down with no sanity checks
> >> in place.
> >
> >I haven't heard BIG business squeal too much.
>
> They don't squeal here. They move their plants out of the
> country.
>
> > .. Their volume still
> >apparently gets them a reasonable deal. It is the house-holder and
> >small business who are getting screwed.
>
> My electric bill is less than $30/mo. Before "deregulation", it was
> $30-$35/mo. and I had enough electric utility stock whose dividends
> paid the bill. I also was able to go to one place to deal with
> all my power problems. Now I need a flow chart that gives me
> directions about who to call, when to call, and where to call for
> each kind of problem. I opted to stay with the power generator
> (we were given a choice in this state to use the old way or shop
> around for power). Now the time period is expiring and I have
> absolutely no idea whatthehell I'm supposed to do other than
> I have to choose. Choose fucking what? I have one wire that
> comes into the house. From my POV, I should have one phone
> number to call when things go wrong. The biz has followed the
> telephone business model and that business is on its way into
> oblivion due to lack of interest.

Yeh- some choice! Sounds like you get bargain power price, but!
My bill is about $70 US a month, and that doesn't include hot water
(gas),
or heating (wood fire). A household of 3/4 small house.
So that is just for the lights, fridge, electricals.....
Just had a look at the bill- a "supply charge" of $30 on top of their
inflated price per unit. (about 11c US per unit- kilowatt?)
>
> >> >I guess it is a more pressing worry where winter temperatures can kill
> >> >with a prolonged power failure.
> >>
> >> It's not only kill. It's also worrisome because of frozen pipes.
> >> One frozen pipe will condemn the building; now its inhabitants
> >> have no place to live.
> >
> >In that case, no way known would I depend on electricity for heating.
> >If Alqueda get a good hit on your grid....................
>
> I'm telling you that everybody is dependent on electricity
> for heating. Everything is computerized, including gas
> stoves. Nobody, especially the fucking politicians, is
> thinking, especially our Democrat party. Kerry's party
> line during the campaign was to hit reset on the war
> game and go back to the beginning of Afghanistan.

Computerisation has certainly made the West very vulnerable

> >> They're setting themselves up for an economic depression.
> >
> >Well someone has to take up the slack in employment which technology /
> >computers has caused!
>
> Which was the best thing that happened to the computer biz. We're
> still suffering from hangovers of the slop that occurred in
> the 80s. The biz is starting to get back to applying CPU cycles
> to useful work.

They sure do create something! How long are your supermarket qeues?

Cheers
Jim G