Re: Hydrogen Economy

From: Steve (sbharris_at_ix.netcom.com)
Date: 12/09/04 

Date: 9 Dec 2004 15:53:03 -0800

>>Simple: I can make as much electricity as I want right now by use of
solar cells.<<

COMMENT:

You can also make all the gold you want, via a home cyclotron. So? Tell
me your home is covered in solar cells and you're off the grid, now.
Boloney. You can do it all you want, except it's too expensive to do
except as a rich man's toy, so you don't. And if you can't even use
solar cells to make electricity for direct use as electricity, spare us
your schemes for using them for a really expensive and inefficient
small scale hydrogen production plant. And spare us the associated
politics. If it's not economical, it's not politically viable.

>>I can make as much hydrogen as I want right now by piping
that electricity into plain water (via electrolysis).<<

Have you ever made more than a glassful of hydrogen by electrolysis in
your life?
Re-read comments above.

>> Thus a vehicle
that runs on hydrogen could be sustained by myself without reliance on
any kind of society or group of people.<<

Sure, in theory. In theory you could also build your own concrete
island in the ocean like the usual libertarian nut wants to do. But in
practice, you live in Arizona.And in practice, you don't have a
hydrogen car, either.

Arizona seems to be where all the libertarian nuts eventually go,
trying to get away from other people. Alaska's also popular, but it
takes competance and being able to get along with a few neighbors to
survive in Alaska long. Too social.

>> If I wanted to make
hydrocarbons, I'd need to get the carbon from somewhere, and that would
require (net-energy-negative-) bio-fuel farming.<<

And if you wanted to store the hydrogen for use in a car, you'd have to
do some net-energy negative things to do that, also. So?

>>The collctivists don't like that, of course, and maintain that all
energy production must necessarily be centralized.<<

COMMENT:

The nutso branch of the libertarians don't like economies of scale, and
maintain that in theory everybody could do everything in his own back
yard. Why centralize food production when everybody can garden? And
other foolishness. They write this crap right before going to the local
grocery and buying produce from centralized farm systems. Which is
cheap.

>> If I am to think
about driving a car, I am supposed to thank "the economy" or "the
industry" or some other folks.<<

Yes, you are. Unless you made that car yourself in the garage. Which in
theory you could do. Except you didn't.

>> So we cannot allow people to run some
simple H2 electrolysis on some simple water with electricity from some
simple photovoltaics on the roof of their garage.<<

We can allow it, because nobody will do it. What is needed is a
workable solution to the energy problem, not the proposals of dingbats
who talk a great talk, but don't even walk the walk themselves, let
alone tell us how American Industry's going to do it. Solar cells on
their roofs, maybe?

>>I live in AZ, just this side of the border with CA, and the things
we
have in vast abundance here are sunlight and useless, empty area to
capture it. But I guess there's something politically incorrect about
my running my own car with my own fucking energy. <<

With your own mouth energy, you mean. Bull*** biomass energy perhaps.

FYI political correctness has nothing to do with it. It has to do with
the laws of physics. You're out there near Tonopah, AZ, a godforsaken
place if ever there was one. I just drove through there and tried not
blink, so as not to miss it. And not too far from the Palo Verde
nuclear generating plant. Which astonishingly is what provides Phoenix,
and probably your computer, with electricity, not solar cells on the
roofs. Or your roof. No doubt a giant government conspiracy. Plant
manager Burns and director Homer Simpson have gotten together with
local Arizona civil leader Ellsworth Tooey, and they're conspiring to
take away your political freedom by making electricity for you in a
collective fashion. We all suggest you go on strike. Let us know how
things are going in Galt's Gulch where you live.

>>Let's just talk
hydrogen out of existence until we can all go back to feed at the
through of the great hydrocarbon companies. Blessed be their existence.
NOT!<<

We can't talk hydrogen out of existance. Nor can we talk it into
existance. Unfortunately for you.

SBH

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