Re: An Even Better OWLS Experiment.

From: Androcles (dummy_at_dummy.net)
Date: 12/23/04 

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:05:53 GMT

"jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Androcles" <dummy@dummy.net> wrote in message
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>> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> > "Androcles" <dummy@dummy.net> wrote in message
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>> >> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> >> > There is a lot of matter on and along most of the paths
>> >> > we can study. The charges in that matter know the
>> >> > speed of light just a well as the emitting charges.
>> >> >
>> >> > The coupling to that matter might be a lot more
>> >> > than your estimates if permittivity increases as
>> >> > permeability decreases.
>> >>
>> >> Are you suggesting that a single ionized hydrogen atom
>> >> hurtling toward Earth at 0.999999999999951c will give
>> >> a boost to all radiation coming in the same direction, and
>> >> at all frequencies, similar to waliking down the aisle of a
>> >> bus or plane?
>> >> Even irrational notions (sigh...) can be denied by sensible folk.
>> >> Androcles.
>> >
>> > Indeed I am.
>> Ah, so the radiation is now approaching at 1.999999999999951c,
>> almost doubled.
>>
>> > No, it isn't for all frequencies.
>> Oh? what happens ot the other frequencies, then, and why
>> one frequency in particular?
>> Androcles
>
> When the wavelength of the light is comparable to
> a structures dimension, the degree and nature of the
> interaction is affected. That's why most atoms like to
> do their big business (absorbtion or emission) in the
> visible range.
>
> The interaction you and Henri consider negligible seems
> to be the difference between a tabletop kilowatt laser and
> a tabletop terawatt machine! Much of it is due to
> positive feedback between wiggler elements but the
> close coupling is no minor factor... for a FEL anyway.
>
> I completely support your notion that free space has
> no "spin faries" to give it an intrinsic peremabily but the
> other edge to that sword is higher voltages are
> developed which can "reach out" farther to couple to
> what ever matter is near the path.

Yep. Androcles wrote 30/11/04:
<< Ok, "uncle".
You have a local aether aura for your near fields.
Far field is vacuumy and alternating E-M fields where all the
real work is done.
Speed of light c is a local (near field) phenomenon as Roberts says
and what he's measuring in lab experiments, but has nothing to do
with time squishy stuff and length squashy thingy.
Now sell your dipolmacy diplomaticly to the relativists and
aetherealists :-) >>

Seems you are telling me what I've already agreed to.
Androcles.

>
> I am not sure of this. But it IS a plausible mechanism
> explaining a consistant speed of light wrt the nearest
> matter. And that IS what we observe in 99.99??? %
> of our experience.
>
> For this kind of experiment, I think your glass is
> a little more half full than half full. ;-)
>
> I wouldn't bet that hole thru a polyethylene cylinder
> is faster than a copper conductor thru the same
> material... but it might be.
>
> Sue...
>
>
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>>
>> >
>> > << FEL's can be quite large, like the proposed X-Ray
>> > FEL at SLAC (LCLS - right), which is several kilometers long.
>> > They can also be small, like our own MIRFEL (left), which
>> > occupies a total of only 10 feet! >>
>> > http://www.ireap.umd.edu/FEL/whatis.htm
>> >
>> > As electron bunches propagate down the undulator,
>> > they are bathed in the same light they generate. As they
>> > wiggle back and forth through the magnets and interact
>> > with the electric field of this light, some gain energy and
>> > some lose energy, depending upon their phase relationship
>> > with the light and the magnetic fields.
>> >
>> > As a result, the electrons begin to form microbunches
>> > separated by a distance equal to the wavelength of the
>> > light they generate. The light waves emitted by the electron
>> > bunches will line up in phase--meaning that the waves'
>> > peaks and valleys overlay each other--to reinforce and
>> > amplify the light's brilliance and intensity.
>> > http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010712/argonne-laser.shtml
>> >
>> > -----
>> >
>> > Sue...
>> >
>> >
>> > Sue...
>> >>
>> >> > Sigh... even rational folk can accept foolish notions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sue...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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