Re: An Even Better OWLS Experiment.

From: jahn (susysewnshow_at_yahoo.com.au)
Date: 12/23/04 

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:21:16 -0500

"Androcles" <dummy@dummy.net> wrote in message news:Rozyd.25404$DF3.3677@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> > "Androcles" <dummy@dummy.net> wrote in message
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> >> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >> > "Androcles" <dummy@dummy.net> wrote in message
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> >> >> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >> >> > There is a lot of matter on and along most of the paths
> >> >> > we can study. The charges in that matter know the
> >> >> > speed of light just a well as the emitting charges.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The coupling to that matter might be a lot more
> >> >> > than your estimates if permittivity increases as
> >> >> > permeability decreases.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you suggesting that a single ionized hydrogen atom
> >> >> hurtling toward Earth at 0.999999999999951c will give
> >> >> a boost to all radiation coming in the same direction, and
> >> >> at all frequencies, similar to waliking down the aisle of a
> >> >> bus or plane?
> >> >> Even irrational notions (sigh...) can be denied by sensible folk.
> >> >> Androcles.
> >> >
> >> > Indeed I am.
> >> Ah, so the radiation is now approaching at 1.999999999999951c,
> >> almost doubled.
> >>
> >> > No, it isn't for all frequencies.
> >> Oh? what happens ot the other frequencies, then, and why
> >> one frequency in particular?
> >> Androcles
> >
> > When the wavelength of the light is comparable to
> > a structures dimension, the degree and nature of the
> > interaction is affected. That's why most atoms like to
> > do their big business (absorbtion or emission) in the
> > visible range.
> >
> > The interaction you and Henri consider negligible seems
> > to be the difference between a tabletop kilowatt laser and
> > a tabletop terawatt machine! Much of it is due to
> > positive feedback between wiggler elements but the
> > close coupling is no minor factor... for a FEL anyway.
> >
> > I completely support your notion that free space has
> > no "spin faries" to give it an intrinsic peremabily but the
> > other edge to that sword is higher voltages are
> > developed which can "reach out" farther to couple to
> > what ever matter is near the path.
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> Yep. Androcles wrote 30/11/04:
> << Ok, "uncle".
> You have a local aether aura for your near fields.
> Far field is vacuumy and alternating E-M fields where all the
> real work is done.
> Speed of light c is a local (near field) phenomenon as Roberts says
> and what he's measuring in lab experiments, but has nothing to do
> with time squishy stuff and length squashy thingy.
> Now sell your dipolmacy diplomaticly to the relativists and
> aetherealists :-) >>
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> Seems you are telling me what I've already agreed to.
> Androcles.

I am ? Hmmm I musta stumbled into the wrong ng.
;-)
Sue...

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> > I am not sure of this. But it IS a plausible mechanism
> > explaining a consistant speed of light wrt the nearest
> > matter. And that IS what we observe in 99.99??? %
> > of our experience.
> >
> > For this kind of experiment, I think your glass is
> > a little more half full than half full. ;-)
> >
> > I wouldn't bet that hole thru a polyethylene cylinder
> > is faster than a copper conductor thru the same
> > material... but it might be.
> >
> > Sue...
> >
> >
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> >> >
> >> > << FEL's can be quite large, like the proposed X-Ray
> >> > FEL at SLAC (LCLS - right), which is several kilometers long.
> >> > They can also be small, like our own MIRFEL (left), which
> >> > occupies a total of only 10 feet! >>
> >> > http://www.ireap.umd.edu/FEL/whatis.htm
> >> >
> >> > As electron bunches propagate down the undulator,
> >> > they are bathed in the same light they generate. As they
> >> > wiggle back and forth through the magnets and interact
> >> > with the electric field of this light, some gain energy and
> >> > some lose energy, depending upon their phase relationship
> >> > with the light and the magnetic fields.
> >> >
> >> > As a result, the electrons begin to form microbunches
> >> > separated by a distance equal to the wavelength of the
> >> > light they generate. The light waves emitted by the electron
> >> > bunches will line up in phase--meaning that the waves'
> >> > peaks and valleys overlay each other--to reinforce and
> >> > amplify the light's brilliance and intensity.
> >> > http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010712/argonne-laser.shtml
> >> >
> >> > -----
> >> >
> >> > Sue...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sue...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Sigh... even rational folk can accept foolish notions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sue...
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