Re: 4 prohumanist continued

From: david (dgordon_at_ak.net)
Date: 01/21/05 

Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:11:40 -0900

Daniel T. wrote:
> In article <41F16793.3020406@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Daniel T. wrote:
>>
>>>In article <41F09942.8080501@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"david" wrote, among other things ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can science create an oxygen molecule out of nothing?
>>>>>>>>God can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A myth can't create anything. All you have
>>>>>>>are claims. Claims-claims-claims, and
>>>>>>>nothing to show for it -but- claims.
>>>>>>
>>>>Then present a valid counter argument that disempowers my claims. You
>>>>claim to want open discussion but you don't answer questions posed.
>>>
>>>First present a claim that has power.
>>
>>I claim that God created the universe and all life within it. God has
>>the power that science lacks.
>
> Yes, you claim that, but it has no power. You claim that God has power,
> but your actual claim does not. Make a claim that has power, and then
> maybe someone will present a valid counter argument that dis-empowers
> your claim. Until, then you have nothing but empty words.

Perhaps, according to your standards, my claim has no power. That is
because you won't consider the possibility of the existence of an all
powerful creator/creative force.

>>A question then. How did the universe create itself?
>>
>>And a related question: who/what created the universe and all within it?
>
> What do you mean by universe? The definition I use is "all that exists
> or is postulated to exist."

Works for me. However, I would add all that once existed. Put another
way, the definition of universe is all that was, is, and will ever be.
The beginning, the end, and all that is in between.

Again, the question. How did the universe create itself? Or, better yet,
why did the universe create itself?

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