Re: 4 prohumanist continued

From: jessie (pub_at_austin.com)
Date: 01/22/05 

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:19:26 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:15:04 -0500, "robert j. kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:

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>david wrote:
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>> Everything you see, sense, taste, feel, hear, smell is God. God is ALL
>> there is/was/will ever be. Science can only examine what is already
>> created.
>
>Plutonium which does not exist in nature was created (from other heavy
>elements to be sure) at Oak Ridge laboratories during WWII.
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>Humans do not and cannot create matter or energy ex nihilo as that would
>violate several conservation laws. But that does not mean matter was
>created. It could have always existed.
>
>Bob Kolker

Is that your scientific explanation? That matter might have just
always existed? The truth is bobby, that neither you nor I have a
clue as to the extent of matter and space and time and neither do the
scientist with their "modern tools and gadgets."

Your faith and belief that matter has just always existed and that
some big bang or expansion and contraction of this matter created the
earth and literally millions of different life forms on it does appear
as lacking to me, as does my faith that God created all of this
appears lacking to you.

We both have only faith and belief in the end. Your faith and belief
is that all this complexity is some gigantic accident and that
millions of life forms spontaneously occurred at about the same time
(on the scale of infinite time). I have faith and belief that the
earth was created and that all this life was intentionally crated by
intelligence, not by a freaking accident of nature.

For all their posturing and prancing and postulating, scientists
really don't know jack *** about all of this. Even those like
Hawking who have minds that are far beyond mine, don't really know if
there was a big bang, or if their was, if it was accidental or at the
hand of a creator.

We both in our own way hide behind our different dogmas and cling to
our faith. Your pretense that science makes for a better dogma is
not convincing in the area of creation of matter, time, or space.
These things are so far beyond our science as to make them appear
silly and foolish, just as many consider by religious explanation to
be silly and foolish.

You have reason, rational thought, very limited applications of the
scientific method (a great tool in most research, but not up to the
task at hand), and expansive and ever changing theories.

 I have prophecy made and prophecy fulfilled over and over and over
during a period of thousands of years. I have the testimony in the
scriptures of hundreds of people who reportedly witnessed miracles,
and experienced communication with God. I have the so very many
aspects of this word that defy scientific explanation. I have the
bible, which is about the most amazing book that there is. Most
non-believers and most believers have never read it in a way that
allowed them to understand all the subtlety, all the symbolism, all
the parody, or all the allegorical revelations of the bible.

To do so requires knowledge of history that very few educated men have
and almost no poorly educated men have. For history is written by
those that win wars, and have dominate cultures, and who control
access to the media and universities. Even recent history has been
distorted almost beyond imagination.

However for those who take the time to find the more obscure
historians and the alternative histories of major events, they will
find support for all of this in the bible. The evil that preys on
the world today was well known and revealed thousands of years ago in
the bible. Even people who read the bible often refuse to
acknowledge what it reveals of evil for we have been so brainwashed by
political correctness that we can't see the forest for the trees.
(Sorry for the cliché, but it fits too well to avoid it).

The bottom line is that I truly believe that Christianity has far
greater support than any scientific theory of creation, existence, and
matter, and time. Flawed as a leap of faith may be in your eyes, it
is a much smaller leap of faith that the one you have chosen to make.

I also find it curious that so many non-believers spend so very much
time in religious groups trying so very desperately to convince
themselves that we Christians are wrong. My guess is you are here for
one of two reasons. One is your insecurity about your own faith or
lack thereof or two you have some agenda that benefits from damaging
Christianity. Muslims and Jews and some radical atheists often spend
much of their lives critiquing and casting aspersions on Christianity
to try and advance their own political agendas.

We see the evidence of this in the recent incendiary attacks on
Christianity and Christian symbols from the ACLU and the media and a
small, but well financed minority that is attacking Christianity at
every opportunity.

So which are you bob that you spend so much time discussing a religion
you profess to not believe in?

I can usually tell which such writers are simply by their writing
style and what they say, but I am occasionally wrong. Don't think
for one minute that your words do not reveal who and what you are and
why you are here.

jessie

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."
-- Aristotle, Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384
BC - 322 BC)

jessie

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."
-- Aristotle, Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384
BC - 322 BC)