Re: 1c+1c Closing Velocity of Light and Matter

From: Henri Wilson (H_at_..(Henri)
Date: 01/23/05 

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:55:52 GMT

On 22 Jan 2005 17:30:10 -0800, "jgreenfield@seol.net.au" <jgreen@seol.net.au>
wrote:

>
>Henri Wilson wrote:
>> On 20 Jan 2005 21:23:43 -0800, "jgreenfield@seol.net.au"
><jgreen@seol.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >

>>
>> Accurate positioning is critical though.
>> But there's no reason why the two sources shouldn't be almost
>adjacent when
>> they send the signals.
>> Did you suggest that before?
>> The two sources are arranged so that they are traveling in opposite
>directions
>> in almost the same orbits - but not so they will crash into each
>other. When
>> adjacent, they both emit their signals.
>
>If they were 100km apart, it still only gives a time difference due to
>their positions
>in the order 1/3000 sec, compared to the round trip to Saturn of the
>two signals of .5sec, so position is fairly insignificant, as long as
>we know how they are both travelling ref Sat.

That is true, although like I said, you wouldn't need to return the signals.
Just record them on the same trace as they arrive and post the result back to
Earth any time.
 
There are a couple of technical problems.
It wouldn't be all that easy to arrange for the two sources to emit their
siganls simultaneously.
The two satellites will be in close orbit traveling in opposite directions with
a relative speed around 15000 m/s !! That's pretty quick!!
Somehow a switching mechanism has to be devised to make them fire as closely
together as possible. Of course any difference can be monitored on Earth and
taken into account when the final result is inspected.
The second problem is to make both pulses clearly indentifiable at cassini,
which will also be receiving loads of noise. That will mean the detecting of
quite a few cycles of two powerful high frequency EM signals, each of which
will be slightly doppler shifted away from the central frequency. Each then has
to be turned into an identifiable pulse that can be resolved to well under 0.25
seconds.

>
>>
>> >>
>> >> The only problem I can see is that there might be some kind of EM
>> >reference
>> >> frame surrounding the Earth which will tend to unify the two
>> >velocities.
>
>No. Two very quick pulses will not be in each others
>"space"- they will not be "aware" of the others existence

They shouldn't...but they might both be under the influence of some kind of
local EM FoR, of the type Len Gaasenbeek has proposed.

If the two pulses DID arrive simultaneously, then that would take some
explaining, because there is no doubt in my mind they will be leaving at c+v
unless some other factor comes into play.
 

>> >I've long suspected that photons in a beam (as opposed to separated
>or
>> >sparse photons), "share" energy, if that is the right approach. They
>> >seem to have a preferred shared velocity, like a wing of ducks.
>> >Harmonics??
>>
>> Yes, that's part of my H-aether theory.
>> Light interacts very slightly with other light that it meets in its
>travels and
>> it all tends towards a common velocity over great distances.
>
>Yes, "as it meets"- in this case it won't (except near Saturn and when
>going in opposite directions)

Don't worry about the return pulse, Jim.

>>
>> >I'd like to detonate an A bomb in space, and take a moving picture
>from
>> >here. The flash is very short duration (instant), but would the
>picture
>> >on the moving film be a line/spectrum?? I know different wavelengths
>> >travel at the same speed (from the same source), but there is
>something
>> >weird about redshift and Fraunhoffer lines which is sus
>>
>> there's a lot of weird stuff out there Jim.
>
>But what about this spectrum on a moving photo plate- do you think we'd
>see one? (indicating different wavelengths were travelling at slightly
>different speeds)
>I think maybe not (?) but Fraunhoffer lines are dodgy, somehow :-(

I think there would be a lot of white light rather than distinct lines. One
would have to make assumtions about the velocities of light sources during the
instant of the blast.

>Ooroo

seeya.

>Jim G
>c'=c+v

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