Re: Hansen discovers how to reason.

From: Creighton Hogg (wchogg_at_hep.wisc.edu)
Date: 01/24/05 

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:17:53 -0600

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Androcles wrote:

>
> "Creighton Hogg" <wchogg@hep.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0501241430100.18059-100000@erodium.hep.wisc.edu...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Androcles wrote:
> >>
> >> Who's interested in averages?
> >> You are claiming the speed of light is invariant. I'm saying you've
> >> never measured the speed of light, in a vacuum, from a moving source,
> >> and neither has anyone else.
> >> You think you can browbeat me like I was some kid in your
> >> schoolroom,
> >> you fucking monster? Think again.
> >
> > When did he browbeat you?
>
> He didn't, because I won't let him. He tries, though.

Honestly it doesn't appear that way. You come across as far more abusive
than him. The one time he was out of line, he apologized later but you
told him where to stick his apology.
 
> > What has he done that was at all like a
> > monster?
> > He thinks you're wrong. That doesn't make him evil.
>
> I'm afraid it does. He very dishonestly said
>
> Quote:
> : But I want this to be a fruitful exchange between the two of us, so
> : let's agree on some ground rules. We'll go things one little step at a
> : time. When we get to a point of conflict, we'll identify what the
> : error is on either side, and the party in error MUST acknowledge the
> : error and remove the erroneous statement from further discussion.
> Unquote
> and refuses to abide by his own rule after I agreed.
>
> I asked him point blank what his definition of a vector was, he gave it
> and
> Timo Neimenen disagreed with him, as do I.

I believe Timo does not disagree with him on anything other than how to
teach vector spaces and vectors to students. I read that thread.

> Does he admit his error, according to his own ground rules? No, he tries
> to brush it off and work around it. He's evil.

If he doesn't believe he's wrong, how is he evil for not saying that he's
wrong? Couldn't he just as easily call you evil for not admitting that
you're wrong?

> Then their was this exchange:
>
>
> Androcles:
> >> There are two points in space, A and B.
> >
> Draper:
> > Agreed.
> >
> Androcles:
> >> That's used in 2AB/(t'A - t_A) = c.
> >>
> >> There are two points in space, (0,0,0) and (x',0,0)
> >
> Draper:
> > Stop. In which frame, k or K or neither, are these the coordinates of
> > A
> > and B?
>
> That is deliberate fucking obfuscation, he know full well that Einstein
> said
> "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when
> measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v, so that
> x'/(c-v)"
> and the inconsiderate evil *** has to ask ME that question after
> we've been discussing this for months?
> He's a monster, I pity the kids he's pretending to teach physics to.

So he's inconsiderate, evil, a ***, and a monster because there was a
misunderstanding in a months long conversation?

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