Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon
From: What_is_Qi (physicsofchi_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 01/25/05
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 14:30:19 -0800
Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
> > Yes. There are 27 pranic (qi) healing centers in Germany alone.
> >
> > The addresses are located in:
> >
> > http://www.pranichealing.org/directory/germany.htm
> >
> > See the branches located near your town.
>
> Thanks. Mauer, Bammental and Bensheim are all fairly
> near.
One of these days. Just take a peek at them to see their
offices.
> > How about this. Challenge them for a double blind experiment
> > devised by you.
>
> And you really think they would bother to do that?
The more kind hearted will. They are not hiding anything.
> > Or better yet. Try to attend their classes.
>
> What use would that have?
That would make you familiar with qi dynamics. How could
you test them if you don't know what they are.
> Additionally, it's not clear if the three I listed above
> even *have* classes, or only do healings.
>
>
> > I'll pay them your fee.
>
> And you think I merely take your word for that?
Yes. If that can make you derive the physics of qi.
For months. I spent so much money on books from
amazon trying to research qi and get a clue of the
physics of qi. But you can do it faster and save
time.
>
> > The fee is needed because if they put
> > them up for free. They can't even pay the office.
>
> Err, can't they pay the office by the money they get
> for their healings?
Some may just hold classes and not heal. Because qi
healing is dirty work. Know why. Because you are
handling the dirty bioetheric matter of patients and
it's gross. If you are not careful, it can transfer
to your body. This is the reason I stop qi healing
because its so gross. I just heal myself though.
>
> Or why don't they work on a regular job and do this
> stuff only in their spare time?
Maybe that's what they do. I'm not familiar with what
they exactly do. I haven't visited other countries yet.
>
> > So having fee
> > doesn't mean it's all for the business and fooling people.
>
> There is no doubt that many of these people are self-deluded
> and don't try to fool other people only.
They can see effects or results.. sometimes dramatic.
When we have patients with migrane, there is a lot of
dirty bioetheric energy in the brain. When we remove
them, the result is instant relief, so dramatic. It
cures those who have migrane for years.. provided
their ailment is not organic or physically based.
>
> > Heheh... But then you can't because it's real.
>
> See? That's the difference between science and
> religion (or pseudo-science): you are 100% sure what the
> outcome would be, although the experiment was not
> performed yet.
It's like this. When I punch you. You suffer pain.
Likewise, qi is like weapon, in fact, some people
known as sorcerer is using qi to hurt people. We
treat those people whose bioetheric body has been
damaged but mainstream medical science can't cure.
>
>
> > Rather than debating it all over again for months (I'm Cinquirer).
>
> Well, why did you come up with yet another nickname? Looks
> quite dishonest to me.
Qi science is a multidisciplinary field. One has to
understand the details of all parts of physics... from
quantum mechanics to QCD, QED, to general relativity and
hypothetical models such as M-Theory. I should have taken up
physics in college if I knew it was related to qi. But I did
not. So in order to make up for knowledge not gained and not
having to study 5-year college again. I have to divide myself
into separate parts to to understand different parts of
physics all at once by corresponding with folks in the
internet to gain familiarity of the subjects. Hence a
nickname was created to handle QM, other nick is related
to handle GR, etc. If I use one nickname only, people
would notice how too many questions I ask and get tired
of answering them. This is the purpose why I use different
nicks. Also another reason is to assume different mindset
for each. For example, in one nick I defend the Standard
Model. In another nick I tried to take it apart. This is
to have different point of view. Let's take the case of
Y.Porat. He wanted to take apart the Standard Model and
has been assuming that position for years. By so doing.
he is hardening his mind (literally) so some parts can
no longer flow normally. This is when one has fixation
so great there is no way to get out. And slowly you see
the world thru colored spectacles.. can't understand points
of view not compatible with your thought. This is what I'm
trying to avoid so I cycle from fighting standard model
to defending it.
>
> And what happened to all the tests I suggested to you?
What tests? I didn't remember them... or I have already
answered you.
>
>
> > Why don't you go to the pranic healing branch and let's settle it
> > there.
>
> Because I don't think that there would be any chances of
> doing properly controlled tests there.
Can you give a rough idea of what test it may be.
>
> > I've been studying physics simply to have an idea how
> > qi can fit.
>
> So far, you apparently have not "studied physics" - you
> merely came up with lots of crank web sites.
Know why. Because the Standard model can't seem to take
the existence of qi. Something may be wrong there. And
the reason I have to explore unconvensional web sites
is just to get an idea or clue. It doesn't mean I believe
them that's why I posted them in the NG for analysis.
>
> > Only you physicists can exactly tell what it is and
> > derive the exact mechanisms of qi so don't say how bad my physics
> > is.
>
> If you want us to work on this, the burden of proof is
> on *you* to first show evidence that qi really exists.
> Not on *us* to disprove your assertions.
Qi is conscious and subtle energy. Because it is subtle
showing evidence by writing messages is not easy. That's
why I told you to visit those pranic branches in Germany
to gain familiarity of it and then test them. Once you
are familiar with what qi is, and you become sensitive
to it. You can fully control its manifestation. For
example, the qi healer in germany can compress the ambient
qi into a ball and put it on table. If you are sensitive,
you can locate it by scanning the table. Or you can
produce the qi ball yourself and try to make the qi
healer locate it on a big table. There are many ways
to test. But you have to be familiar with it first by
actual practice.
>
> > If you study qi, then you could have avoided us qi healers
> > struggling with the physics of qi.
>
> Hey, if qi is so obviously present everywhere on the
> Philippines, why aren't there any Philippine physicists
> working on this?
There are no physicists in the Philippines. Those who
take up physics end up in businesses or teaching because
there is no demand for physics in the industry. The
physics graduates follow the Standard Model and they
won't waste with Qi because they alrady made up their
mind that qi doesn't exist. But I will look for physics
graduates to see their viewpoints on qi.
>
>
> > Now the 4 possibilies.
> >
> > 1. The Aether Concept (if the Aether is real)
> >
> > David Thomson book has this independent paper written by a doctor
> > who studies qi. The doctor called Dale Sumbureru, DrPH MD,
> > hypothesized our need for sleep could be primarily for the
> > purpose of regaining the Aether Derived Energy for the day.
> > Thomson talked about the Aether units... the doctor is suggesting
> > that we need the energy of the Aether in our body as in "The
> > human organism derives energy from the "ambient" Aether
>
> Was this the stuff about the biophotons?
Not directly. The doctor in Thomson book is hypothesizing that
when we gain the Aether Derived Energy, our body use them and
the extra ones are emitted as biophotons that test instrument
can detect. Of course I didn't say I believe it. Since food
can also take in qi or Aether Derived Energy such as ginseng,
etc. Biophoton detectors can detect them. Basically the
more biophotons there are, the more healthy is the object
or organism. This may relate to the fact that this organism
gain Aether Derived Energy and eject the extra ones as
biophotons. Again I didn't say I believe it. Just open
minded to consider it for future reference.
>
>
> > (quanta
> > of dynamic space-time or quanta of rotating magnetic field)".
>
> Evidently, this doctor has no clue of what he is talking about.
He is merely referring to thomson aether model. Now if
thomson aether model is wrong. But there is Aether that
uses other mechanism such as Seto model. The doctor can
still be right because "Aether Derived Energy" can come
from other Aether models too.
>
> > At this point. Let me say I don't know if Thomson is 25%, 50%,
> > 75% correct.
>
> 1%. At best.
Hmm... maybe I should send you the Thomson book I own
to make you analyze its mathematics in which half of
the book is made up off.
>
> > Also maybe there is Aether and it may not be the
> > way he described it (who knows). Last time I described to
> > you how claivoyants can see some aether units being absorbed
> > by the chakras (round thing made of etheric matter) in the
> > body and the energy from the aether units are used by our
> > organism. Later the aether units are ejected outside forming
> > part of the aura. I didn't use the exact term "aether units"
> > but it's something like that.
>
> I also remember that both I and others suggested several
> experiments to you on this, and you weaseled out of
> every single one.
I didn't remember it. Pls. mention it again. Or maybe
I have already answered them. For example, powerlines
can affect qi, shapes of objects can affect qi, crystals
can affect qi. What experiments have you got in mind.
>
> > 2. Second possibility if there is no Aether
> >
> > In the beginning. Informational field may co-exist with the
> > dynamics of forces that created the Big Bang.
>
> What on earth is an "informational field"?
I'm using the words for its normal english descriptions.
"informational field" means field with information...
electromagnetic fields can hold information like TV,
Radio contents, isn't it.
> > Now this informational field may be superluminal.
>
> Thanks for showing that you have no clue what "field"
> means in physics.
I'm not referring to the fields created by moving
charges. I'm just referring to the english world of
"field"... like "what is your line of field or business"
>
> > It doesn't
> > break the rule of physics because it already started as
> > superliminal and composed of non-baryonic substance.
>
> So what? Both does not help in any way.
>
> Thanks for showing again that you have no clue of physics.
Why? If qi already started as superluminal substance. What
do you mean it doesn't help in any way.
>
> > Now
> > this informational field may be the conscious energy that
> > we qi healers deal on a daily basis. Qi may be part of it.
> > I just thought of this a week ago.
>
> So you also don't know what "energy" means in physics.
I'm referring to the normal english definition of energy.
For example. How great is the sexual energy of the girl
next door.
>
>
> > 3. Third possibility
> >
> > Qi may be related to the Wave Domain that describes the
> > behavior of the electron and other subatomic particles or
> > the wave function.
>
> Utterly vague. What's the "wave domain"?
A hypothetical objective reality that has to do with the
wave behavior of particles.
>
> > Maybe the wave pilots exist in higher
> > Bohm implicate order that is related to our mind.
>
> Even more vague.
The wave pilots of higher elements is so complex that
supercomputers may not even calculate it... like Frank
Heymann said. What if they have objective reality in
higher dimensions.
>
>
> > The mechanism of Qi in this hypotheses is a complete mystery.
> > Quantum Mechanics doesn't deal with the objective reality
> > of the wave domain so describing qi is even more difficult
>
> I have no clue what you mean with "objective reality of
> the wave domain".
As explained above.
>
>
> > 4. Fourth possibility supposing there is no Aether and no
> > superluminal and no Bohmian energy...
>
> What is "Bohmian energy"?
Bohm said the implicate order may control the external
world. Now how would they control it granted it is real.
It needs energy.
> > and there is another membrane 1 millimiter away from us.
> > Gravity may not only be the thing that leaked over. Qi or
> > informational field may cross in between membranes too.
> > This means our soul or spirit or what is generally called
> > morphogenetic templates may actually be inhabiting the
> > parallel membrane and we are connected because informational
> > field may cross over and so is qi.
>
> And in what way would that hypothesis explain any of the
> effects attributed to qi???
The source of Qi may not be Aether derived energy but
located in another membrane in parallel universes..
that is a parallel universe composing mainly of energy.
>
> > but know what. If you and Frank Heymann, Uncle Al, etc. are all
> > correct and the Standard Model is without flaw
>
> Err, no one of us ever said that. In contrast, we all have
> said that it probably needs extensions and/or changes.
Changes? What part of them do you think needs changing.
I'm looking for all the weaknesses of the Standard models.
Pls share them.
> > If you are just willing to drop by any of the 27 pranic healing
> > branches in Germany one of these days and learn from them, double
> > blind test them, etc.
>
> Why do you think that *they* are willing to do double-blind
> tests?
They are not hiding anything. Come on. This is not
Transcendental Meditation and its participants lying
about levitation, etc.
>
> > Well.
> > As I've said let's settle it at the pranic healing branch near
> > your home (drop by there if you have time and let me know).
>
> I don't see how such a visit could settle anything.
You would gain familiarity of it and can test them on
the spot. For example. If you have pain in any part of
your body. Ask them to "scan" you. If they can pinpoint
the exact part of your body that is not right for example,
a portion of your elbow. Does that not say something. What
if this occurs consistently. This is a good test
to make. It's analog test. Or you can manipulate or
damage your own bioetheric body anyway and let them tell
where it is. In scouting for the pranic healing offices
near you. Look for one where the qi healer or presentor
is a clairvoyant so he merely looks at you and tell you
what part of your bioetheric body you altered.
cinquirer
>
>
> [snip]
>
> Bye,
> Bjoern
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