Re: PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH.!!!!!!!!!
From: Your Name Here=Harvey (kiwi_at_ing.notin.aus)
Date: 02/24/05
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:42:26 GMT
In article <mjones-691BCE.19190523022005@chiapp18.algx.net>, mjones@jump.net
says...
>
>In article <mjph119tcf129dr4oq4q7229fj8r3ech4o@4ax.com>,
> George Peatty <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:40:19 GMT, Mitchell Jones <mjones@jump.net> wrote:
>>
>> >{If Job lived, he will live again. However, when he next enters the
>> >world, he will enter it without memories, just as he entered it the last
>> >time. And if there was, in fact, a historical Jesus (the so-called
>> >"Redeemer"), he was just a man, not the "son of God," and he too will
>> >reenter the world without memories. That means Job will no longer be
>> >called Job, and Jesus will no longer be called Jesus. Neither will
>> >remember the Bible or any of the arrant nonsense contained therein.
>>
>> There is no support for these views in any discipline, save perhaps the
>> study of mythology.
>
>***{Not even in mythology, so far as I am aware. The view is my own,
>based on the reasoning that I have been presenting in this thread. The
>support, in short, is in front of your eyes, rather than somewhere else.
>--MJ}***
>
> Your speculation is more absurd than the arrant
>> nonsense of the Bible<--your words--> that you decry ..
>
>***{My words indeed. Have you actually *read* the Bible? That is, have
>you read it while applying the same critical faculties that you would
>apply, say, when reading a newspaper? If so, there is no way you could
>fail to notice that the density of nonsense therein could hardly have
>been increased if absurdities had been packed in using a hydraulic
>press. I am frankly amazed that anyone would regard the authors of such
>tripe as credible sources. Certainly citing such sources will not serve
>you well in any discussion with me, because the Bible has no credibility
>with me at all. Thus if you want to dispute my reasoning, the best way
>to do it is to insert comments at the location in my text where you
>disagree, and use arguments that rely on verifiable facts, rather than
>on Biblical references.
It is not easy to sort out what is correct in the Bible and which
isn't. However this site tries to do that, showing what is supposedly
the correct version - as far as teachings and beliefs goes.
www.tjresearch.info
>
>Here, let me try to make it easy for you:
>
>(1) If Job and Jesus lived, they will live again, because the fact that
>they lived once is proof that the mechanical universe has the capacity
>to produce them--i.e., the power to create creatures with their defining
>characteristics. Since the universe has that power--meaning that
>creatures such as Job and Jesus violate no natural laws--it follows
>that, with sufficient time and variation in the types of creatures
>coming into the world, new creatures may eventually appear with their
>defining characteristics, at which point they will live again.
>
>(2) There is no evidence of any mechanism that could transport the
>memories of a dying being forward through space and time into a brain to
>be created in the future, so it follows that if our memories had to be
>carried forward in order for a new embodiment to be us, then we could
>live only once. However, we all enter the world without memories, and
>since that state of affairs does not stop us from being who we are, it
>follows that memories are not part of the characteristics that define
>who we are. We come into the world first, then we acquire memories. Thus
>when Job and Jesus reenter the world, they will do so without any
>memories of their former lives, including memories of their former
>names, memories of the contents of the Bible, of the doctrines of the
>Christian religion, and so on.
>
>(3) There is no evidence of any mechanism that could cause Job and Jesus
>to be reembodied at the same time, within the same species, and on the
>same planet. No evidence exists suggesting that it was anything other
>than sheer coincidence that led both of them to appear as humans on
>Earth, and even in that instance they did not live at the same time or
>at the same place. (Job, an Old Testament character, arrived on Earth
>long before Jesus, and made his exit long before him as well.) Thus it
>would presuppose a miracle to expect that, when next they appear, they
>will do so at the same time, in the same species, and on the same planet.
The above site that I referenced to - goes along with the idea that
Jesus taught reincarnation as part of his teachings, having travelled from
ages 14-28 far and wide, and being indoctrinated into various far eastern
mysticisms. Some saying that the 3 wise men that showed up at his birth
were from the far east.
Also that Jesus was not resurrected after being crucified, but was revived,
ie. resucitated by Joseph of Arithmea who administered herbs over 3 days
and nights. That he in fact journeyed onto Kashmir, where he lived till
a long time and was buried there.
www.tombofjesus.com
This was presented in a British television program 'Did Jesus Die?'
which has no links to the above sites and was an independent production.
The idea that Jesus taught reincarnation is nothing new. People can cite
certain passages left in the bible which hints at this. Apparently there was
more text but that was taken out.
Paul favoured resurrection over reincarnation, and that is why we have
resurrection in the bible, due to his interpretation.
Everyone is reincarnated - and usually we don't remember our past life or
lives at all, but there have been exceptions. This is covered in the
literature/media about reincarnation. A couple of exceptional cases turned up
in the British television program 'Strange but True?' in the case of a
Bomber Pilot, and of an Englishwoman - the later case being very unusual, in
that she was reunited with her past family.
It is not only reincarnation that is interesting to read about - but also
about near death experiences and out of body experiences.
Harvey
>
>>From the above insights, it follows that if Job and Jesus were to meet
>up in their next lives, each would likely react to the other as if he
>were an alien from another planet--because it is highly likely that
>that's exactly what they would be.
>
>If you disagree with the above at any point, feel free to insert your
>comments at that location.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>--Mitchell Jones}***
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