Re: Expanding Space
From: jahn (susysewnshow_at_yahoo.com.au)
Date: 02/26/05
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:56:30 -0500
"Koobee Wublee" <kublai@cox.net> wrote in message news:0hPTd.22464$Tt.12210@fed1read05...
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> "kenseto" <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote in message
> news:Tx1Td.6046$Sa6.2237@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > Cosmologists explain the Big Bang (BB) and the expansion of the universe
> > as
> > that the space is expanding and not the galaxies are expanding into
> > pre-existing space. They use a lump of raisin bread dough as analogy. The
> > raisins are the galaxies and the dough is space. As the dough (space)
> > expands it carries the raisins (galaxies) along with it. The trouble with
> > this anology is as follows:
> > 1. The dough is physical and yet SR denies that space is physical.
> > Einstein
> > asserted that space is "empty space".
> > 2. Some phyicists said that space is "stuff" but refuse to define what is
> > "stuff" and at the same time they asserted that space is not nothingness
> > as
> > asserted by SR. When these physicists are cornered they just simply said
> > that space is space and that space can have properties. It can be be
> > distorted. It can have curvature. It has permeability and permittivity
> > properties.
>
> GR predicts all these things. It is all in the math, and you would have a
> hard time to argument against math. Of course, if you can prove GR math is
> wrong, the theory will shatter. It is actually easy to prove GR math does
> not fit basic observations.
>
> For example, Einstein was able to calculate out a second order effect only
> using first order parameters. He was one of the dozen folks who were able
> to calculate the anomaly of Mercury's orbit. Einstein did it without the
> completion of his famous field equations and without the solution to these
> field equations (Schwarzschild metric). Today, we know the Schwarzschild
> metric is crucial because it gives the second order (and beyond) effects.
> The modern calculations require at least one integration constant which is
> very creatively chosen to give the desired effect. After carefully
> determining such an integration constant as constraint to boundary
> conditions, one arrives at lag instead of advance. For a photon to be
> deflected by the sun, the equation describing this under GR does not reduce
> down to one describing the path of a photon passing through Minkowski
> spacetime when the mass of the sun is zero. The corrected equation shows a
> symmetry of the paths of the photon at the closest approach to the sun.
> Instead of the photon being deflected and changed course permanently, it is
> deflected in its inbound journey, but as the photon leaves the sun, it
> un-deflect itself (corrected its deflection). This new finding makes a lot
> of sense when it is the curvature of spacetime that is involved and not just
> the curvature of space itself.
>
>
>
The symetrical trajectory (hyperbolic? ) seems more like what you would
expect from Weber's electordynamics whch considers magnetism
and electomagnetism as purturbatitions of Coulomb force lines.
The "lines" (imaginary of course) would be more concentrated
near dense clusters of chages, aka masses.
What I can gather from Bertotti's "Huygens" probe Shapiro delay
expeiment, the sun's plasma accounts for too much refraction to
conclusively show an EM/gravity interaction. A density curved EM path,
relativty and non-murderous grandchildren all features of Weber's
electrodynamics so I am baffled why it doesn't get more study.
I suspect a few plain brown paper wrapped articles may be hidden
under a few mattresses. ;-)
Sue...
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