Re: FREE ENERGY Devices and Technology

From: Vendicar Decarian (VD_at_Pyro.net)
Date: 02/04/05 

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:01:16 -0500

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
> news:t%SLd.2115$m22.529@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Oh is it now. Tell us Franz. Where does the energy come from to
> > drive electron tunneling in semiconductors?

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:ctqfd4$832$15@sparta.btinternet.com...
> The energy before and the energy after are equal. No problem

  Which is a non-answer. Where did he energy needed to climb the potential
barrier come from Franz?

> Where does the energy come from to
> > produce Hawking radiation (presuming it exists)?

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
> Hawking radiation has to exist, unless there is something seriously
> amiss with QED, which is in fact the best verified theory man has ever
> produced.

  Every current theory is the best verified theory man has ever produced.
  Including the theory that the sun rotates around the earth.

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> The positive energy of the real partner which escapes from the
> vicinity of the event horizon is equal and opposite to the negative
> gravitational energy of the other partner.

   Since the particles in the particle pair are symmetric the same could be
argued for the particle that falls in, and hence it's total energy
contribution to the black hole is zero. Hence by your argument it's mass is
not reduced.

   Constantly wrong Franz strikes again.

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
> > And Franz, where did the energy come from that deflected the scale
balance
> > that was used to measure the Casimer force?

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> Permanent magnets also exert forces on one another. They, too, obey
> the rules of energy conservation, like the Casimir force does.

  So Franz, you are now admitting that you can store and remove energy from
the vacuum? Interesting. Earlier you claimed that extracting energy from
the vacuum was, how did you put it? <Crackpot science>.

  Snicker....

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> From the same stable comes the statement that if the three spatial
> components of four-momentum are not conserved, the laws of physics
> will depend on whether you are in London or in New York.

  Or on a planet orbiting the sun, or 13 billion light years away at the
edge of the visible universe.

  I have little doubt that the physics one one side of the earth is very
much the same as that on the other. I have strong doubts that this is the
case at the origin of existance.

> > Second, since the removal of energy from the vacuum has already
> been
> > accomplished through the measurement of the Casimer force,

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> Balls.
> The measurement of the existence of a force is not synonymous with the
> existence of an energy.

  It is only through the extraction of energy that force can be measured.

  If a force exists that accelerates two plates together, as was the case in
the original experiment that measured the Casimer force, when these two
plates come together, energy has been liberated.

  Liberated from where Franz?

  In the original experiment energy had to be expended to separate the
plates during the procedure of nulling their relative charge. Where did
that energy go Franz?

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> If you bring two solid surfaces together, work is done *by the Casimir
> force*, resulting in a negative potential energy, analogous to a
> binding energy.. When you replace them, an exactly equal amount of
> work will have to be done *by you*.

  Indicating that you can store energy in the vacuum and later extract it
from the vacuum.

  I note once again that you referred to the extraction of energy from the
vacuum as <crack science> If I remember correctly.

  Snicker....

> > your assumption
> > that energy can not come from nothing is simply an acceptance of the
> > existance of free vacuum energy that you initially referred to as
> crank
> > science.

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> I only referred to it as crank science because that is precisely what
> it is.

  Contradicting yourself again I see.

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> Well, you may, since you seem to be unable to understand the
> difference between space itself expanding and objects moving apart in
> space.

  I understand quite well Franz. So, I ask.. From whence does the energy
come?

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> By r=the way, if I were you, I would lay off talking about energy in
> the context of a global gracitayional effect. Neither you nor I know
> enough GR to comment usefully on that topic.

  I have never heard of the term "gracitayional" I must admit.

  Please define the term for me.

> > Tell us Franz. Has vacuum energy been tapped to perform work or
> not?

"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> Neve, never.

  That's interesting, just 4 paragraphs above you admitted that energy could
be extracted.

  Snicker....

  Still laughing at Franz.

  If a force exists that accelerates two plates together, as was the case in
the original experiment that measured the Casimer force, when these two
plates come together, energy has been liberated.

  Liberated from where Franz?

  In the original experiment energy had to be expended to separate the
plates during the procedure of nulling their relative charge. Where did
that energy go Franz?

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