Re: Magnetic Monopoles Found? Dual-Slit Expe Explained?
From: Qion (physicsofchi_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/07/05
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Date: 6 Feb 2005 23:07:42 -0800
AaronB wrote:
> > The etheric thread
> > is not physical, of course. But it has an equivalent size or
> > length comparatively speaking to human anatomy. About 2-3
> > meters up the head, it's no longer etheric.
>
> How can it switch from etheric to non-etheric? More to the point, how
> could something *possibly* switch from one dimension to another at an
> arbitrary point.
Don't try to use physical descriptions on things not physical.
Etheric is non-physical and I think it is superluminal. I once
asked this Greywolf something what is the behavior of
superluminal thing. He said it is present everywhere. So may
qi and bioetheric stuff is superliminal. You asked elsewhere
how light can travel many times around the globe in one second
so how can I say it is superluminal. Because it is present at
all spaces, the claivoyant can think up of Bjoern and his
etheric body is open to his sight. In pranic healing, we
can treat the patient even if he is half the world away.
You know what this means. This means this etheric thing can
only become located in space with the intervension of
consciousness. Without consciousness. It is in an unmanifested
form and doesn't have physical location. Our consciousness
can create some kind of collapse of the etheric wave function.
Gets? This is why when I say it switches from etheric to
non-etheric in mid-air. It simply changes in dimension
and focus without actual physical changes in space. Pranic
healers are familiar with this as they can scanned and treated
patients without their physical presence. Right now. All
this sound so bizarre. Here's the list of pranic healing
branches if you or someone would like to scrutinize with
the intent to debunk them. Do so all means you can for
pranic healers are not hiding anything for business hoax
or anything so they are open to full Randi category of
scrutiny.
>
> Well, since I don't know what my past lives were like (well, actually
I
> don't believe in past lives, but anyway); there is no possible way
for
> me to determine whether or not the seer was able to tell me if they
> were right. However, from what I've heard of past life experiences,
> there tend to be a *lot* more people who had past lives as kings than
> peasants, as illogical as that sounds.
Only High Initiates can really see past lives because their
consciousness can function in the higher 10th superstring
dimension (for the sake of discussion). All those psychics
in the street are mostly either self-deluded or has out of
control etheric body and its corresponding abilities. Of
course I'm not saying all. Edgar Cayce doesn't tell you
are King Arthur, etc. Only the nuts do.
> > When you meditate, your increased
> > etheric thread size produced more energy into your body.
>
> In terms of energy as a physical quantity, this statement makes no
> sense.
The etheric matter is some kind of interface between physical
and higher dimensional reality. So when one's consiousness is
contacting the higher dimensional reality. The etheric thread
increase in size comparatively speaking. Remember it may have
no physical correlates.
> > I know most are not. Many materials got into the bible and the
> > author mixes them all up to produce nothing short of chaos to
> > short circuits the mind of christian nincompoops. Sorry. But
> > I dislike the concept of religions as it brews war and chaos
> > like muslim versus christian etc.
>
> Well, to be frank, I think most of what you are talking about many
> people would classify as a religion.
Religion doesn't deal with mechanisms or details. Our stuff
is called esoteric art. In the olden days. We are called
Sorcerers or Warlock. In modern times. We are qi healers
and the run in the mill average paranormals.
> > > What do you mean by "holographic templates" of atoms?
> >
> > Let's propose a 5th force existing in an atom which bind
> > with the 5th forces of other atoms producing a collective
> > information field where you can influence the probability
> > clouds of electrons altering the expression of the substance.
>
> What is an information field?
Non-physical field of information. Let us extend the definition
of field to describe non-physical reality too. Or maybe we
should not use physics term to avoid confusion?
> Why do you need a 5th force?
Because the weak, strong, electromagnetic, gravitional forces
can't do the function attributed to qi and the etheric body.
> What is the expression of a substance?
The shape of substance. Such as the patterns of flowers. Do
you think the statistical randomness probability of electron
clouds have a hand in all this?
> Why is there no evidence for such a force?
Who said there isn't. Visit any qi healing center and spend
some days investigating and you'd know what I mean. The
problem with scientists is they already made up their
mind this thing doesn't exist so how can they investigate
them if they already made up their mind. It's not science
but blind bias.
> > To provide the supporting theoretical framework upon which
> > everything is build. Like science studying big bang based
> > on the knowledge in QM, GR, etc.
>
> Yes, but all of these things have supporting evidence and are built
on
> principles already established.
Every principle in science begins with a step. You have Planck
quanta experiment, etc. before arriving at full fledge Quantum
Mechanics. Likewise, you have Tiller intention experiment
(he mentions a lot of circuits in his book where your mind
can be made to influence the output) before arriving at full
fledge Qi Physics that can be part of school textbooks in
the future generations of children.
> > Most don't have independent will though, they are
> > just fragments of memories. About the visibility, there are
> > many reports of ghosts appearing to normal people, etc.
>
> Where might these reports be? Are they actual (peer-reviewed)
studies?
The problem is you can't control them that's why it's difficult
to do peer reviewed studies.
> > I don't know. We don't fully understand
> > the hidden side of photons or what it really is.
>
> We don't really know what anything really is, per se. We do know very
> well what a photon does and does not do.
String or M-theory says a photon may be an open string. You see.
Not all is known about the photon yet that's why scientists can
suggest such a model, etc. We only know what a photon does and
its mathematical expression. We don't know why is a photon a
photon or why it acts like that. This is why QM is more of a
statistical science than objective esp. when you take into
account fully interactive quantum entanglement Bell and Alain
style.
> You seem to have indicated to me that there are a great many people
who
> use this phenomena, regardless of its physics. That would seem to
imply
> that if someone who could were to take this test, they should be able
> to pass it. Yet the money remains...
It's possible those into psychic stuff are walking spiritual
path so they don't mind about money, so not interested in Randi.
Some may not have consistent psychism enough to convince
Randi. We qi healers since we no the dynamics and interplay
of the forces. We stand a chance against Randi. But why pranic
healers don't challenge Randi. Because majority of them walk
the spiritual path and not interested in showing off or proof.
I'm none of the above so I may succeed in getting the money.
Only problem now is I have to bribe immigration officials to
make me travel to US by giving them let's say $30,000. I
have to spend another $30,000 to stay in the US with a couple
of claivoyants well trained in perceiving stuff. This means
I may need about $60,000 just to travel to US and I have to
be sure I'd get the 1 million dollar or I'd lose a lot of
money. Bribing immigration officials is not easy because
you have to find the right person and not risked getting
caught and jailed from bribery. Also there are many cases
of people paying some corrupt immigration officials money
and never leaving the country at all. This happens a lot.
The reason it is so hard to leave the country is because
majority never got back because they wanted to earn money
in the US. I'll get married in 3 years so I can only go to
US after I get married.
>
> > This is why I want to understand the physics of qi. It can
> > make me control the phenomenon and present it to Randi at
> > will.
>
> I thought you already knew how to control your qi. The physics won't
> help you much. Knowing how a car works doesn't make you a better
> driver.
No. I'm talking about knowing how qi, etc. for example
interrelate with elecromagnetic field if there is a hidden
coupling to it, etc. like Tiller surmissed. And so knowing
this. It is easier to present it to Randi since we can
build support machines that can produce result. About
controlling qi. It is so easy. The book alone from amazon.com
"Miracles thru Pranic Healing" can make you master the control
of qi.
>
> Consciousness doesn't help it, though. Let me give an example:
suppose
> I am floating in deep space and only have with me a spacesuit that I
> can't remove but keeps me alive. I am conscious and sentient and
alive.
>
> As I travel along my path in space, I happen to see, quite close by,
> the "planet of beautiful naked women who love sex" and think it would
> be worth paying a visit. Now, the question: is there anyway that I
can
> change my path, as a conscious being, so that I can get to the
> aforementioed planet, assuming that its gravity is not strong enough
to
> get me there own its own?
When I say controlling qi ball. It doesn't have weight and
interactive with mind so it's easier to control qi. But to
control your whole physical matter. I don't know how it can
be done. Imagine though that consciousness is not within
spacetime but spacetime within consciousness. So if your will
is strong enough and can use the material of the 10 dimension.
You can control spacetime itself like what masters or saints
were able to do. I have no physical proof so can't prove this
to you except to say let's just be open minded and keep
discernment. Tiller has a mechanism though of how you can
move in space. Funny it is. ON page 83 of his book Science
and Human Transformation. It is written "Levitation: It is
fairly well known that gravity is associated with physical
mass producing a local positive curvature in the 4-D
space-time surface. By the same type of space-curving
process, etheric mass will produce the opposite sign of
curvature in the 4-D space-time surface and thus will yeild
a levitational force. To accomplish actual levitation of an
object, it is necessary to sue our intention (or some
future device) to inject sufficient etheric and deltron
substance into the object to overcome its normal gravitional
force of attraction to the earth. The deltrons are needed
so that the 4-D space-time surface can "feel" the presence
of the negative mass. It is by mastering this process that
one may learn to walk on water".
It's funny indeed. I didn't say I believe in Tiller, of
course. Anyone is entitled to his own model. Tiller method
though would make you move further away from the planet
composed of nude women ready for sex owing to its
anti gravitional effect :) On a serious note. If spacetime
is within consciousness and you have the necessarily
high development of consciousness enabling you to function
in higher dimension. You can will your physical body to
move on its own by altering the properties of space/time
alone, etc. Just speculations at this point as I haven't
tried any of it.
> > Since physics hasn't discovered the physics of qi. It hasn't
> > created new laws for it, producing an effect of violating
> > the laws (or limited law) of physics.
>
> It is true that just because something holds in one case does not
> guarentee it holds in all cases; however, certain principles
(entropy,
> for example) are so universal, and every new phenomena that we come
> across that we think is mystical, when we figure out how it works, we
> find that this particular property still holds. We can then infer
that,
> if it works in a great many cases, or better yet, a general case,
then
> maybe it works in all cases. Again, this isn't necessarily true, but
in
> many cases the evidence is *very* strong.
Qi has something to do with conscious energy (excuse the
nonconvensional usage of it). It is new principle that is not
related to well known forces as experiment in the following
suggest. Of course, more like it is needed. The problem
not many scientists study it because they thought there is
no cause or reason to do the experiment in the first place.
http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/time/2002_YanXin_Qigong_JSE.pdf
>
>
> There is very little science in this article. At best, it could be
> considered idle speculation. For instance, he does not site a
*single*
> piece of evidence indicating that any of these phenomena (qi,
> astrology, alternative healing, etc.) actually exist.
Since we are dealing not with baryonic matter and not
electromagnetic, gravitational and obviously not the
weak and strong forces. Of course physical evidence is
difficult because it is not physical in the first place! :)
Qion
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