Re: Time Dilation Model, NO ONE can point out what's wrong
From: PD (pdraper_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/07/05
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Date: 7 Feb 2005 13:14:46 -0800
Apologies for the multi-posted reply. Thanks for the heads-up, Dirk.
Won't happen again.
g...@hotmail.com wrote:
> There are but a few simple lines (5 sentences) below until a
Conclusion
> is reached.
>
> Someone must clearly specify the first line he reads that is
incorrect
> and why.....if no error is wrong than there remains insufficient
> evidence of time dilation (outside the muons experiment).
>
>
> Setting:
>
> We will call 2 platforms: A & B
>
> A goes 10km/s and B goes 40km/s in relation to Earth (difference =
> 30km/s)
>
> Now if Earth disappeared, the only thing A would observe is that B is
> 30km/s faster and likewise B would observe A moving 30km/s.
>
>
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>
> Symptom:
>
> Relativity's Law specifies there is no Universal Absolute Reference
> Frame (everything is relative), so by this law it is irrelevant to
Time
> Dilation wether A must *accelerate* or *decelerate* to reach same
> velocity as B.
Here is your mistake. There is no "faster" or "slower", except in
relation to the Earth, which is now gone. As soon as you take the Earth
away, there is no faster or slower. In fact, without the Earth, they
can equally well be viewed to be going the same speed in opposite
directions. Without "faster" or "slower", there is no meaning or
distinction to "accelerate" or "decelerate".
I just pointed out what's wrong. I'd like a public recanting of the
claim in your subject line.
PD
>
> This same symptom also applies to B if it wishes to reach A's
velocity.
>
>
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>
> Conclusion:
>
> By the symptoms provide above, it is impossible for A or B to age
> differently than the other and therefore there cannot be any Time
> Dilation.
>
> Likewise, it is impossible for a twin to leave A, until he reaches
the
> same velocity as B and then accumulate an age difference *depending*
on
> how long he remains at the same velocity as B (also the same if twin
is
> leaving B and going to A).
>
>
>
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>
> Incoherence:
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html
>
> 1971 Plane that noticed a time dilation using an atomic clock may
> suggest:
>
> 1. The Universe has an absolute frame of reference
>
> or
>
> 2. The link above specifies that a gravity field also generates a
time
> dilation (the more gravity the slower the clock): Could be similar to
a
> pendulum clock swaying slower if it's at the bottom of heavy water
> (more gravity force) instead of air.
>
> ...but if this pendulum (atomic clock inside the plane) was traveling
> faster in the air then it would also sway slower since it would
*feel*
> the same displacement resistance(= permittivity = 1/c^2 for space) as
> when it was at the bottom of heavy water.
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