Re: Time Dilation Model, NO ONE can point out what's wrong
From: Jesse Mazer (vze2ztqw_at_mail.verizon.net)
Date: 02/09/05
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:16:23 GMT
guskz@hotmail.com wrote:
>Jesse Mazer wrote:
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>>guskz@hotmail.com wrote:
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>>>There are but a few simple lines (5 sentences) below until a
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>Conclusion
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>>>is reached.
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>>>Someone must clearly specify the first line he reads that is
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>incorrect
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>>>and why.....if no error is wrong than there remains insufficient
>>>evidence of time dilation (outside the muons experiment).
>>>
>>>
>>>Setting:
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>>>We will call 2 platforms: A & B
>>>
>>>A goes 10km/s and B goes 40km/s in relation to Earth (difference =
>>>30km/s)
>>>
>>>Now if Earth disappeared, the only thing A would observe is that B
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>is
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>>>30km/s faster and likewise B would observe A moving 30km/s.
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>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>Symptom:
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>>>Relativity's Law specifies there is no Universal Absolute Reference
>>>Frame (everything is relative), so by this law it is irrelevant to
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>Time
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>>>Dilation wether A must *accelerate* or *decelerate* to reach same
>>>velocity as B.
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>>>This same symptom also applies to B if it wishes to reach A's
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>velocity.
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>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>Conclusion:
>>>
>>>By the symptoms provide above, it is impossible for A or B to age
>>>differently than the other and therefore there cannot be any Time
>>>Dilation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>What do you mean by "age differently"?
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>That's what was written...very few lines and people still make reading
>errors.
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It's not a reading error, it's just that the phrase "age differently" is
inherently ambiguous, since it might be suggesting that there is an
absolute truth about who is aging faster and who's aging slower, or it
might just mean that each twin ages slower in the other twin's frame as
suggested by relativity. If the latter, I don't see why it is
"impossible" for them to age differently in this non-absolute sense.
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>It says: "it is impossible....to age differently"
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>>As long as both continue to move
>>at a constant velocity relative to another, relativity says there is
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>no
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>>absolute truth about who is aging slower--B is aging slower in A's
>>reference frame, and A is aging slower in B's reference frame.
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>Correct, that's what was written.
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>>>Likewise, it is impossible for a twin to leave A, until he reaches
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>the
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>>>same velocity as B and then accumulate an age difference *depending*
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>on
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>>>how long he remains at the same velocity as B (also the same if twin
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>is
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>>>leaving B and going to A).
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>>If two twins on platform A start out at rest to each other and the
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>same
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>>age, then one twin changes velocity until his velocity matches that
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>of
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>>platform B,
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>You used the Correct words: "changes velocity" instead of "accelerate
>or decelerate" for that's the foundation of Relativity, meaning there
>is no Absolute Frame of Reference.
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>>.....then in platform A's frame the twin who changed velocity is
>>aging slower, and in platform B's frame the twin who remained on
>>platform A is aging slower.
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>That is not what was written which is that there is ALSO another twins
>on platform B..
>
>... and the remaining brother on platform B is NOW also arguing with
>the new traveler from platform A that his twin is aging less then them.
>
I'm still not clear on the scenario you're suggesting, could you spell
it out more clearly? Are you suggesting that there's four quadruplets,
2 starting out on platform A and 2 starting out on platform B, and then
one from each platform changes velocity until he is at rest relative to
the other platform?
Jesse
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