Re: Androcles asks for Derivation of LT

From: Androcles (Androcles_at_)
Date: 02/16/05 

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:42:40 GMT

"RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37hganF5ap10uU1@individual.net...
>
>
> Androcles wrote:
>> "Daryl McCullough" <stevendaryl3016@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:cuvjgi022ld@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>>Androcles says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The problem of orbiting clocks must be carried out in General
>>>>>Relativity, which takes gravity into account.
>>>>
>>>>Already wrong, but like Schwartz and Poe, you are unable to read.
>>>>Or, we then must have the following peculiar consequence that
>>>>Einstein
>>>>said:
>>>
>>>If the point of your example is to show that Special Relativity is
>>>falsified by orbiting clocks, then you are perfectly right. Special
>>>Relativity is incorrect when gravity is involved.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you keep talking about gravity for?
>> Read what Einstein said. There is no mention of gravity anywhere
>> in his paper, but he does say
>> "It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the
>> clock moves from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the
>> points A and B coincide. If we assume that the result proved for a
>> polygonal line is also valid for a continuously curved line"
>>
>> So he is CLEARLY (except to a dumbarse) talking about Sam and Joe
>> returning to "Origins" via the Orbital road around the city.
>
> He is clearly talking about no such thing. You carefully snipped the
> caveat "[...]If at the points A and B, of K, there are STATIONARY
> clocks which, viewed in the STATIONARY SYSTEM[...]"

The clock at "Origins" is stationary, I thought. McCullough did say
that, didn't he?
Big sign, clock on it... magic markers ...That WAS McCullough, wasn't
it?
You are singing "LA!LA!LA!" Perry.

>
> If you have to be dishonest to make a point, then you have no points
> to make.

Yes, exactly right.
Big sign, clock on it, magic markers all with synchronized clock
....stationary frame.... That was McCullough, wasn't it?

> If both frames are accelerating, then in order to apply SR to the
> problem you need a third inertial frame in order to calculate the
> relative ticking rates of the two accelerated clocks.

You are singing "LA!LA!LA!" Perry. The Beltway is a polygon. So is the
M25. Ground frame, G frame, B frame. No frame is accelerating, except
briefly at each vertex of the polygon, McCullough. That instantaneously
synchronizes Sam's accumulates time by his watch to the nearby magic
marker, does it?
If you have to be dishonest to make a point, then you have no points
 to make.
I clearly stated (if you can read the whole post) that I was talking
about Einstein's 1905 paper, not GR, Perry.
If you have to be dishonest to make a point, then you have no points
to make.
You are being dishonest. Ergo you have no points to make.
Why don't you grow up, Perry? How old are you anyway?
Have a nice day.
Androcles.

> Wrt that London has
>> one, Washington DC has one, they are not unique. The girls go around
>> the opposite way, and the double date is at "Origins".
>>
>> Because they have identical distances to travel and left at 0.00 by
>> the clock at "Origins" and it takes 1.0 hours to make a circuit by
>> the ring road moving at 3 fps, the speed of mosquitoes being 5 fps,
>> what frigging time is it by Sam's watch?
>>
>> "Sally and Jane are at rest relative to frame G (for Girls)." --
>> McCullough.
>>
>> Also note that the closing velocity between Joe and Jane is 6 fps, so
>> they are tachyons to each other, and if Joe sends a trained homing
>> mosquito to Jane that leaves Joe at 5 fps, it closes on Jane at 11 =
>> 5+3 +3 fps, more than twice the speed of mosquitoes. And don't go
>> bleating about composition of velocities either, we haven't derived
>> that yet. Gravity doesn't have a thing to do with it, nor do
>> "inertial" frames, I'm talking strictly Einstein's 1905 paper.
>>
>> "Snippety snip, you got it wrong Androcles, LA! LA! LA! I can't hear
>> you, Einstein didn't say that", right, McCullough?
>>
>> Why don't you grow up, McCullough? How old are you anyway?
>>
>> Androcles.

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