Re: Epistemology 201: The Science of Science

From: Lester Zick (lesterDELzick_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 02/28/05 

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:26:43 GMT

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:33:17 -0500, "robert j. kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.net> in comp.ai.philosophy wrote:

>Lester Zick wrote:
>
>> Actually what the cosmetologists have established not me. I prefer my
>> reality warts and all. No one has actually observed anything except an
>> omnidirectional cosmic red shift.
>
>Big Bang theory also correctly predicts the relative abundance of
>hydrogren and helium.
>
>If Einstein had been more corageous he would have predicted the big bang
>just on theoretical grounds.

I don't think courage has anything to do with it since he had
certainly had the courage to predict the effects he did.

Let me see if I can spell it out a little more clearly, Bob. The
longitudinal doppler considered cause of the cosmic red shift is a
directional first order effect. Einstein avoids this problem in SR by
dealing exclusively with bidirectional second order effects. In
longitudinal terms there is no way to establish omnidirectional
relations between distance and time unless coordinates for both
temporal and spatial frames of reference have a common origin.

Einstein avoids this difficulty in SR by working in second order
bidirectional terms except for the constant omnidirectional relative
velocity of light which as it turns out can only be effectively tested
in relative bidirectional frequency dependent terms. This mean that
all of the effects predicted in SR are bidirectional in practical
empirical terms.

This allows everyone to pretend that the coincidence of temporal and
spatial metrics is irrelevant for SR effects. But for omnidirectional
expansion interpretations of the cosmic red shift this is not possible
because with longitudinal doppler we are dealing with a first order
effect not bidirectional. And there is certainly no mathematics I'm
aware of which can produce omnidirectional equivalency between spatial
and temporal metrics when respective frames of reference do not
coincide.

Regards - Lester

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