Re: Bad News for 'Moon Hoax' Buffs

From: bz (bz+sp_at_ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu)
Date: 03/19/05 

Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:13:55 +0000 (UTC)

"Brad Guth" <ieisbradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1111197646.391456.78090@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

bz said:

>> [quote http://www.solarviews.com/eng/moon.htm]
>> Mean surface temperature (day) 107°C
>> Mean surface temperature (night) -153°C
>> Maximum surface temperature 123°C
>> Minimum surface temperature -233°C
>> [unquote]
>>
>> The surface of the moon approximates a blackbody.
>> Exposure to the sun is direct. Radiation into space is also direct as
>> there is no blanket of air to hold in heat. Without our atmosphere,
>> Earth's surface temps would be similar but slightly higher than those
>> on the moon because of Earths core heat.

> bz,
> I didn't realize that if you were surrounded upon all sides (meaning
> the terrain of our basalt dark moon) by essentially millions of m2
> worth of said dark basalt, that you'd think this sort of nasty
> environment should be freely radiating that accumulated energy in all
> directions (not just back at the sun)

A rock sitting on the surface of the moon 'sees'a hemisphere of space.
Energy radiates from the rock into all the space it 'sees'.

It receives energy from the sun. A small amount from the earth. The rocks
around it are at the same temperature as it is at. They reduce the sky it
sees, but as they are at the same temperature, they don't heat it.

> , and that for as much as your
> being situated within the center of such a near vacuum and thereby
> insulated but otherwise IR clear frying pan would by way of your
> conditional laws of physics not have in the least bit added a BTU worth
> of thermal energy impact upon your sorry EVA moonsuited ***.

The only way to transfer heat through a vacuum is by radiation. The amount
of energy radiated can be calculated.

>
> Apparently all of that build up of raw solar energy that's been nicely
> converted into mostly thermal IR energy is different upon your moon, as
> being nicely convection conducted away from your moonsuit by all of the
> lunar atmosphere, as that's about the only freaking way you'd have if
> you only had to contend with the amounts of direct solar influx/m2
> that's impacting the sunny side of your moonsuit. Or perhaps, is this
> another one of those conditional laws of physics that village idiots
> like myself simply can not understand.

The heat has to be transfered by radiation.

The person in a space suit on the moon and the person on an EVA from the
space shuttle and the person on an EVA from the International Space
station are in rather similar situations as far as heat balance. There are
some minor differences. The person in orbit has more exposure to space,
but they are usually close enough to earth that it blocks off almost as
much intergalactic 'sky' as the moon does for the moon walker. Think about
it.

> Apparently, of whatever's providing a perfectly clear and otherwise
> perfectly insulated surround between yourself and all of the 11~12%
> index worth of the visible spectrum (25+% with regard to IR), such as
> the near vacuum of your being situated on the moon, as such whatever's
> surrounding need not be included within any related calculations. In
> other words, being situated half way between Earth and the moon is
> exactly the same thermal environment for the EVA astronaut as per
> strolling upon the nearly coal like moon?

Include everything in your calculations. YOU are forgetting that the 'sky'
is verrrrry cold.

I doubt that EVA has been done halfway between earth and moon. EVA has
been done in near earth orbit and as I showed earlier the thermal
environment is rather similar there as on the moons surface.

>
> Perhaps the next time I'm getting absolutely fried by working anywhere
> near a nasty hot-pot of melted glass, I will not bother connecting the
> fact of my body is being destroyed by IR energy as having anything
> whatsoever to do with that large pot of melted glass.

You have air temperature, convection and radiation to deal with. The
source it much larger in degrees than the sun. It is much closer. The
walls of the room are no where near as cold as space, so you can't radiate
your heat to them anywhere near as well as you could in space or on the
moon.

Look again at the minimum temperature on the moon.
Mean surface temperature (night) -153°C
Minimum surface temperature -233°C

Without the sun shining on those rocks, or your space suit, the heat
radiates into intergalactic space rather rapidly.

> Gee, I wonder why
> those glass working fools and of so many other hot-substance industries
> and even of scientifically hot and nasty environments, such as walking
> through volcanic zones, ever bothered with wasting all of that
> perfectly good money and of actually wearing those spendy thermally
> defensive suits?

Because they can't get rid of the excess heat by radiating it into space.

On a clear night, put a well insulated box outside, under the stars.
Expose the contents of the box to the sky. If the air is still and the sky
is clear, the contents of the box will cool down. Often the contents can
get below freezing.

>
> I guess, just because you're surrounded by the likes of hot lava rock
> that would summarily fry my naked ***, apparently your unshielded ***
> isn't the least bit affected by anything except for the one raw primary
> source of heat that created them hot rocks in the first place.

Do the calculations yourself.

>
> Of course, you could just keep quoting your mainstream status quo
> that's NASA/Apollo certified, or you could actually reinterpret upon
> what others and I'm saying, so that I don't have to place your name on
> my growing list of incest cloned borgs.

Do the calculations yourself. I don't take anyone's word for it. Their
figures make sense based on what I know about physics.

>
> I still think that a continuous influx of 1.4 kw/m2, that plus
> whatever's reflected off the millions of m2 of whatever's surrounding
> is going to accomplish a good deal better than 123°C.

A moon rock also loses some heat by conduction. Remember how cold the moon
gets at night? When you dig down a little, it is very cold.

>
> BTW; you're 'WormRadar' suggestion doesn't work worth crapolla.

Sorry to hear that. What kind of problem are you having with it? Has it
helped you identify any of the attackers? It should.

> Again,
> I can easily prove that and, I tend to believe that you already know
> that for a bloody fact.

I know that my servers are getting hit more and more, day by day.

Come by my office and I will show you the ongoing attacks.

I am working on disinfecting two PCs right now.

A couple of months ago, a grad student brought me her new laptop that was
'kinda slow'. It had over 50 thousand virus infected files on it. It took
me over a day to clean her system up. 

-- 
bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
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