Re: Brookhaven Responds to black hole report

From: John C. Polasek (jpolasek_at_cfl.rr.com)
Date: 03/23/05 

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:13:49 -0500

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:25:29 -0800, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote:

>Mark Martin wrote:
>>
>> Uncle Al wrote:
>>
>> > > That's a truly deep insight. In this sense alone the experiment is
>> also
>> > > a test of the equivalence principle, of general relativity, under
>> > > extreme conditions.
>> >
>> > How do you figure that? If the EP were violated by 10% or it were
>> > not, what difference would it make in the cited example? If GR were
>> > incorrect by 10% or it were not, what difference would it make in the
>> > cited example?
>>
>> To be more clear, the specific experimental run may or may not have the
>> precision to do so. I was more in the mindset of suddenly being shown
>> something that was dangling in front of me all this time, that high
>> energy accelerators may, at least in principle, be used to create
>> extreme "gravitational" conditions. It's cool.
>
>Particle accelerators create extreme accelerations on particle
>impact. Gravitational and inertial acceleration are apparently
>fundamentally indistinguishable. Current models of interaction during
>and after such high energy collisions predict detected outputs with
>remarkable accuracy. Do they include gravitational time anomalies
>from the high accelerations?
Clock rates have been shown immune to very very high acclerations.
>Composition violations of the Equivalence Principle (EP) do not occur
>to one part in 10^13 difference/average by observation,
>
><http://wugrav.wustl.edu/people/CMW/update98.pdf>
><http://www.astro.northwestern.edu/AspenW04/Papers/lorimer1.pdf>
> Equivalence Principle testing
>
>http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113
><http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/pdf/prl83-3585.pdf>
>http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301024
>Phys. Rev. Lett. 93 261101 (2004)
> Nordtvedt Effect
>
>Nobody knows if there are EP parity violations due to geometry (at
>least until the end of this year). Relativistic polarized colliding
>beams are chiral. Polarized collisions have been explored and they
>must account for geometry. However...
>
> 1) Nobody has ever produced a TeV high luminance polarized
>collider, and
> 2) Chirality degenerates to helicity when the particles slow. When
>things would get interesting the variable vanishes.
>
>Calculate the average acceleration of a 125 grain .357 Magnum
>semijacketed hollow point bullet as it starts from rest and passes
>down a 6" S&W barrel to exit at 1450 ft/sec. It is a rather large
>number. The large /_\v of particle collisions given the short times
>puts out some impressive acceleration numbers. To say that this is a
>gravitational black hole is dancing on thin ice. Commercial
>ultracentrifuges can generate more than one million gees continuous,
>but there is no associated time dilation at the rim - by direct
>measurement (Mossbauer resonance with the hub).
>
>If the Earth had a surface gravity of one million gees its escape
>velocity would be 7000 miles/second - not relativistic.
I get 219 mi/s. Its radius would be 1/1000th of R_w.

Mr. Dual Space

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