Re: Photons shapeshifting to wave prior to measurement
From: bz (bz+sp_at_ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu)
Date: 03/28/05
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:45:13 +0000 (UTC)
"Jack" <chemphysicsdude@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1111968750.016339.98380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> bz wrote:
>> "Jack" <chemphysicsdude@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
....
>>
>> I am saying that [for lack of a better term] "bz's conjecture" is that
>> "as some of the photons pass near enough the edges of the slit to
>> interact with the edge, that the fact that the matter of the edge
>> (electric fields) is 'in constant motion'(in many ways) would cause
>> even photons following the exact same entrance trajectory to exit with
>> certain prefered directions, causing 'diffraction patterns', even under
>> single photon conditions."
>>
>> I have not seen anyone else put forward such a conjecture. That does
>> not mean that it hasn't been done, I just have not seen it. I don't
>> imagine that I am the first to put forth such a crazy idea.
>>
>> As far as I know, people have looked at the quality of the photons as
>> the cause of the diffraction patterns and have considered the edges of
>> the slit as simply 'solid objects' rather than looking at what any STM
>> microscope would have shown them. But I could be wrong.
>>
>> Of course, the fact that no two photons follow the same path in and
>> that the edges of the slits are 'rough' might be enough, on its own, to
>> produce patterns.
>>
>> Diffraction patterns can be seen with a single slit.
>> [Halliday & Resnick, Fundamentals of Physics]
>>
>> Look at a light between two fingers and make the gap as narrow as
>> possible.
>>
>> I believe that diffraction can even be seen with a single knife edge, I
>> think I remember that the edge of shadows display interference fringes,
>> provided that the source is close to a point source.
>>
>> These above work best with a monochromatic point source.
>>
>> I can think of some ways to test the conjecture:
>> 1) cool the slit(s) -- this would be one experiment.
>> 2) apply an external electric field to the slit(s). Another experiment
>> 3) apply an oscillating electric field to the slit(s). Another
>> experiment 4) apply a mechanical oscillation to the slit(s). yet
>> another experiment
>>
>> One or more of these may be sufficient to allow falsification of the
>> conjecture.
>>
>> --
>> bz
>
> Can anyone refute bz hypothesis on purely theoretical ground.
I hope someone can.
>
> I'll try. Feynman said that if you put a detector at one of the slits
> such that you know which slits the photon goes. The inteference
> pattern disappears.
A single slit will produce an interference pattern. You know which slit the
photons are going through when there is only one slit. Something is wrong
with the statement you made. Perhaps the experiment is different?
> How can this be, bz if as what you stated, the
> photon can interact with the edges of the slit holes producing the
> interference. You also haven't mentioned how the interference
> patterns can be so uniform if the photon is just affected by the
> edges of the slit holes.
If the slit is narrow the "edge effect" is large?
Why shouldn't the pattern be even?
-- bz please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. bz+sp@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap
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