Re: Photons shapeshifting to wave prior to measurement

From: Jack (chemphysicsdude_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 03/30/05 

Date: 29 Mar 2005 17:03:18 -0800

RP wrote:
> Jack wrote:
>
> > RP wrote:
> >
> >>Jack wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.mat.ufmg.br/~tcunha/2003-07WalbornF.pdf
> >>>
> >>>refer to the figure of page 341 that may debunk your model.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Ok, thanks, I've looked it over. It is explained exactly as I
> >>explained the three polarizer paradox.
> >>
> >>The left and right circularly polarized waves will not interfere
> >>constructively and destructively, they are crossed at 90deg wrt
each
> >>other. Suppose you could orient a series of water waves along a
> >>vertical surface, how would these interfere with the horizontal
> >
> > waves?
> >
> >>When the horizontal polarizer is placed between the plate and
screen
> >>the pattern reappears. Duh, you've flipped the polarization of the
> >>wavelets back into alignment. No mystery here. Anti-fringes are due
> >
> > to
> >
> >>a 180 flipping of polarization of one wavelet wrt the other.
> >>
> >>It's amazing to me that such a simple problem can be so oversung.
> >>
> >>Richard Perry
> >
> >
> >
> > You are so persistent. Aren't you. Pls. give your url where you
> > describe everything in details. I'd like to see it in depth.
>
> Me too. It doesn't exist...yet.
>
> Let me just provide the logical arguments here.
> Beginning with classical electromagnetism in an special relativistic
> context, there is a fundamental law called *superposition*. If you
> believe that superposition of fields applies everywhere all the time,

> then you prohibit photons-as-discrete-particles. There is no way to
> generate such a being in the classical context. You can however
> generate em waves, in fact these are the natural result of special
> relativistic retarded potentials. These *waves* expand spherically
> from the point of origin, in any frame. Moreover they are completely
> and entirely deterministic.
>
> What this means is that in any microscopic volume of space occupied
by
> a charge quanta, there exists the field of all other charges in any
> given instant, the magnitude and polarization of each given by the
> inverse square law and by special relativistic delays. The net force
> on a quanta in any given proper instant is thus the vector sum of the

> forces of all of these other quanta. This is absolutely required in
> the contexts of the superposition principle and special relativity.
> Any other view is contradictory to either one or both of these
premises.
>
> Now the failure to consider the infinite detail of any one
interaction
> isn't my fault, because this is what I in fact do, and when I do so I

> get the fact that these mysterious behaviors are quite ordinary, and
> fully explainable in terms of classical em.
>
> My description of the polarizer mechanism stems directly from the
fact
> that the only difference between light and radio is the frequencies
> involved, and thus one must be able to simulate all behaviors of
light
> with radio waves. In turn, the easiest way to rotate the polarization

> angle of a radio wave is to absorb and emit its energy by a line of
> passive dipoles, each of which is tilted wrt its neighbors in a
> helical sequence. This must therefore be the mechanism that acts on
> the light waves to shift their polarization angles, i.e. to torque
the
> polarization of the propagating em field. The field isn't actually
> torqued though, it is simply superposed over by the secondary
> radiation generated. This is all just classical em wave mechanics,
and
> the fact that it explains every single interference effect without
> resorting to metaphysical speculation, and IMHO outright stupidity,
> should be taken as proof that photon-particles exist? Hah.
Transitions
> exist, and the waves associated with them exist, but they expand
> spherically; any directionality that is *observed* is due to the fact

> that there are a hell of a lot of other charges around that are
> reacting to this wave and emitting their own disturbances in response

> to it. It's a chaotic mess at that level, but the order is preserved
> not because of quantum erasers or other such bull***, it is because
> chaos doesn't imply randomness. Recall that our premise was a
> completely deterministic sequence of events. It is only random when
> you're too lazy to trace the source of each component of the local
> field. Possibility is literally a measure of ignorance of the
> underlying details.
>
> Richard Perry

In a nutshell, you are saying the ambient thermal movement
inside the slit compartment is interacting with the photon to
form superposition interference wave?

Hmm.. but in the laser emitted photon, the energy is larger
than the thermal. So this should distinguish it from the
surrounding ambient wave. How can the ambient wave
carry the stronger photonic wave.

Well. Millions of excruciating hours have been spent grilling
over it by such giants as Einstein and Feynman. How could they
have missed it.

Something may be wrong with your model.

Jack

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