Re: Epistemology 201: The Science of Science
From: Lester Zick (lesterDELzick_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 03/14/05
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:30:43 GMT
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:40:58 -0500, Wolf Kirchmeir
<wwolfkir@sympatico.ca> in comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
>Tony Orlow (aeo6) wrote:
>> robert j. kolker said:
>>
>>>
>>>Tony Orlow (aeo6) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Very good retort, Albert. Energy is what matter does.......
>>>
>>>And what matter does is observable and measurable. I am willing to
>>>accept mind as a lable for some of the things our brains, nerves and
>>>glands do. What I will not accept is that mind is a separate substance
>>>from matter and not subject to physical laws.
>>>
>>>I see the causal source of mind in the body. I deny the independent
>>>existence of mind from the body.
>>>
>>>Bob Kolker
>>>
>>
>> Think of mind as that which causes controlled action in a being. Then the
>> actions of being serve as your evidence for its existence.
>
>Circular reasoning, Tony.
Say what? This is exactly what I talked about previously that you used
to call begging the question, Wolf. The mind certainly can cause
action and that is no more circular than saying it can't cause action
by whatever standard of circularity you're using this time around. The
only way to prove the argument circular is by proving that the actions
of being cannot illustrate the mind in action. Which is not proven and
certainly not illustrated by showing some actions of beings are not
mental in origin.
Regards - Lester
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