Re: Temperature IS Rising
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Date: 03/16/05
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:34:12 +0000 (UTC)
In sci.physics Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
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> > Yep, but any warm day anywhere is immediately touted as "proof" of
> > global warming. Reference any newspaper, magazine, or news website.
> Only in the dimmest publications of the popular press. The scientific
> case for global warming is well established. You really should read the
> scientific literature a bit more. And learn to distinguish short term
> weather from long term climate change. The *science* is now pretty
> unambiguous. What we do about it is another matter.
I don't need to read the "scientific literature a bit more"; I was makeing
a comment about the popular press that most people read.
> At the very least you might hope that we would take no regrets energy
> efficiency measures like we did during the 1970's oil crisis.
What does this mean?
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> That is becoming a real issue in Switzerland where permafrost under high
> mountain cable car anchor points is beginning to unfreeze.
So you put in new anchor points, big deal. Nothing lasts forever.
> > So what?
> >
> > The Earth's overall climate has changed lots of times just since humans
> > have been around and humans are still around.
> >
> > The people just move to where the climate is "better".
> When it gets warmer we have to move north and to higher ground. But
> there is a very large global population in major cities that are not far
> above sea level on river deltas and prone to innudation. London's Thames
> flood barrier is already looking too low to keep pace with rising sea
> levels.
If it rises over a period of days or weeks, it is a catastrophe. If it
takes a generation, it is change.
Oh boo-hoo, the world is changing.
<snip>
> > A giant "maybe".
> About half and half over the past century. Baliunas and Soon (both
> sceptics) in an astronomincal paper on historic proxies for global
> temperature and insolation found that about half the warming over the
> past century was natural and the other half was probably due to
> greenhouse gasses.
> But the anthropogenic component was really only significant for the last
> 3 decades of the 20th century. They could not avoid including greenhouse
> gas forcing to fit the observed data. The solar constant is constrained
> by satellite data over this period so you can't pretend it changed.
> The bad news is that CO2 concentration levels are increasing and the
> cumulative effects will mount up making it even more difficult to halt.
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> > You mean like when England got too cold to produce decent wine about 1500
> > years ago?
> They produced pretty rough plonk in that era.
> > Oh my God, the horror of it, England may become capable of producing
> > Pinot Noir.
> England still has commercial vineyards and they are now doing very well
> thanks to global warming. British wine used to be a joke but some of the
> new breed although small players are now world class - for instance:
> http://www.camelvalley.com/
Sounds like a good thing to me.
> Thanks to the Gulf stream/Atlantic conveyor we also have palm trees
> growing outdoors in the North West of Scotland at latitude ~56N too.
> http://www.plockton.com/
Oh my god, do you realize what a mess palm trees make when the dates
fall off? The world is ending!
> It is lamentable that the current US administration seeks to maximise
> environmental damage, but what do you expect from an oil man?
Had to throw in a cheap, political shot, didn't you?
> Regards,
> Martin Brown
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