Re: This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics Louis

"T Wake" <taswakeAt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> "tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:4085-426E5A9A-128@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> heat is mass and yer a dumbass.
>
> Wow. You are a poet.
>
>> Dr Julian Summers did it on his show.
>
> What show.
>
> Check out this for Dr Julian Summers:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=%22Dr+Julian+Summers%22
>
> or this for Julian Summers
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=%22Julian+Summers%22
>
>> You can do it . Its a classic and you retarted f*ckers think BZ did
>> the math corect but he did not.

Challenge to tj: I bet you can not demonstrate nor back up your claim in
any way. I will bet one day of my earning against 1 day of your earnings
(whatever they really are).

>
> Yes he did.
>
>> What was wrong with his math,,do you have a clue ?
>
> More of a clue than you.
>
>> last time he did the wrong math he did ladderal pipe math instead of a
>> falling pipe.
>> Now he does the wrong math again and you morons said it was corect
>> because your stupid.
>
> Ok. To disprove show me the formula you think should apply to account
> for the mass increase etc. You can even show me your "falling pipe math"
> if you want.
>

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tj thinks he can get megawatts of power by running six miles of 20 inch
pipe up 1200 feet to a lake. I try to show him that for any practical pipe,
6 miles long, he can't get enough flow.

[quote]
GravityPhysics@xxxxxxxxx (tj Frazir) wrote in news:28678-42549589-515
@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net:

> Hydraulic vane hydroelectric beats waterturbines 250 MW to 300kw.
> based on a 20 inch pipe 6 miles long up a mountain to a 1200 foot over
> all fall 500 psi head presure.
> Aganst a sliding vane 20x30 inch 600si 300,000pounds of thrust at 35
> mph .
>

In order to flow water through a 22 inch pipe that is 6 miles long at 35
mph, you would need to put your lake at 8065 ft.

That is with NO restrictions on the bottom end of the pipe. If you put a
paddle wheel on there, there would be back pressure and that would reduce
the flow velocity.

from http://www.freecalc.com/fricfram.htm
Nominal Pipe Size: 24
Pipe Schedule: SCH 40
Flow Rate (gpm): 64320
.....
Fluid Velocity (ft/sec): 51.36
Reynolds Number: 8991222
Flow Region: Turbulent
Friction Factor: 0.012
Pressure Loss (psi): 3491.4
Head Loss (ft): 8065.1
[unquote]

because he will lose more head than he has (8065 ft vs 1200 ft).

He thinks there is something magic about head due to vertical separation.
He doesn't realize that it doesn't matter where the head comes from, in
order to get the flow he wants, he needs more head than he has available.

We have a conversation where he throws out figures he pulled out of his
imagination and I show him why they won't work.

IIRC, he can't even get the power he claims with a straight down 1200 ft of
20 inch pipe.

> I did a google search you may be interested in looking at :
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=falling+pipe+math
>
> As I am not really sure what you mean, I am sure you can tell me which
> page covers how the mechanics of a falling pipe changes things. If you
> mean the change to pressure in water "falling" down a pipe as opposed to
> a "lateral pipe" then I think you are barking up the wrong tree so to
> speak.
>
>> Then you never saw the first leson in thermal mass on the ballance
>> beam.
>
> Obviously not. You may be interested in the results of a google on
> "Thermal Mass" - all I found was a load of building supplies sites etc.
> Its funny that you started off your attacks on me as a result of your
> fantastic use of search engines, and now they are shooting everything
> you say down.
>


Google on 'thermal mass equivalence' and you can find something that is
related to the problem, but in no way supports tj.
http://www.sci.fi/~suntola/DU%20library/DU%20E%202004%20cosmology.pdf

It would give a SMALLER gain in mass than what I did. It uses the thermal
velocity equivalence (beta) and E=m(1/(sqrt(1-beta^2)-1)).
I think beta would be the average thermal velocity and could be calculated
from the partition function and the blackbody radiation curve. As I said, I
assumed ALL the heat energy went into mass, and that was overly generous in
tj's favor.



--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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