Re: Things Formulaic

Al wrote:

[snip]


There seems to be a misunderstanding. I do not think that maths is bad;
maths is neutral, its the use to which it's put that is bad. There is
nothing wrong with science per se, its the ham fisted way it is used.

Please give examples of such ways of using it, and please demonstrate that you are actually qualified to judge if it is used in this way. TV programs don't count.


When I speak of dehumanisation I mean the quantifying of us. 

Why is this dehumanisation?


Psychology has decided to lick the ass/arse of science and reduced us all to
statistical nonentities.

Complete nonsense. I've known a psychology student, so I know a bit about how psychology treats humans. It *uses* statistics often in order to arrive at meaningful results; but that has nothing at all to do with reducing humans to "statistical nonentities".


( This includes you also) The reason for this is
because science has pointed the finger and accused psychology of having a
murky past.


When exactly has this happened?


This is only true in a scientific sense.
"Mathematics is used to quantize the elements of problems in order
to make predictions about previously-unseen combinations of those
elements;


Learn how to quote properly, please.


"Making 'predictions'" is the operative word Mark. 

Indeed. Without being able to make predictions, you don't do science.
What problem do you have exactly with that?


"You seem to
have a serious bug up your ass about "higher
mathematics" being a tool used to exclude those who don't understand
any of it from being taken seriously when discussing subjects where
it's applicable". Absolutely. It's used to pull the wool over the eyes.


What makes you think so?


I'm talking about the consequences of telling lies to the public and
bull*** maths when the poor 'masses' hang on every word that science
utters.

What scientists have told lies to the public, and what scientists have used "bull*** maths"?


Have a look at what Michael Crichton( Well known sci fi writer)
http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html ) has to say
about his early faith in science and how he became disillusioned.


And what makes you think he is qualified to judge science?


I feel just the same.

And you are probably on about the same level of knowledge about science. At best.


Bye,
Bjoern
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