Re: Double Slit & Aharonov Bohm Effect

RP wrote:

>
> If you could in theory map out every path and every probability *in
the
> real world* then the QM approach is not only equally as complicated
as
> classical wave interference, but is essentially exactly the same
theory,
> with the terms renamed and reinterpreted :) The probability wave is

> perfectly classical in its dynamics; why not just let the electron
ride
> along a classical wave and be directed by the gradient that all of
the
> em feedback lays out for it, following a geodesic, a curvature of
> space-time introduced by *charge*. Is there some particular reason
that
> we cannot localize the electron in any instant? HUP, of course, but
then
> this is a measurement problem, nothing more.

In October 1927 in the fifth Solvay conference attended by
Born, deBroglie, Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, Planck, Schroedinger
and other giants. They have discussed this. Einstein presented
that there were 2 viewpoints. One is we can't know the location
because of HUP and measurement problem as you say. The second
viewpoint is we are not ignorant of anything. The location
doesn't occur literally when in an unmeasured state so it is
not a measurement problem. They discussed about the Schroedinger
pulse and how it spreads and so the wave doesn't represent
the electron because the pulse can get as big as a football
field. After dozens of experiments. It was concluded by
the Copenhagen folks that the second viewpoint is the one
that represents reality. The location can't be pinpointed
not because of measurement problem but because the location
doesn't exist in the wave function but only possibilities.

Below you mentioned how photon interacting with electron is
an impossibility unless there is a boson mediating the
exchange. Well. If you'd treat electron as vortex in the
quantum vacuum and the photon as another vortex. This
would make more sense. The reason you can't justify the
present QM interpretations is because you don't believe
in the causal mechanisms or hidden side of it all.

In a nutshell. Possibility or probability of QM occur not because
of a measure of one's ignorant but because they are the way
it is.

The most basic question one would ask is why. Well. I'm
exploring the thought that the wave function is a higher
dimensional construct and the lowest part of it forms the basic
principle of wave interference in 3D. So when the probability
is high that the electron or photon is in a certain location
(square of its amplitude). It is when the particle located in
higher m-theory like dimension translate to 3D reality. Grasp the
idea?

The world is more complex than you think. Encompass it. I'll
go back to debunking your mechanism of wave superposition, etc.
in separate messages. There are other double slit experiments
that occur in time and out of reach of your classical model.


David

>
> As for many of the problems encountered attempting such approaches in

> terms of em waves that carrying energy, or are considered to be
energy,
> then I'll remind everyone that the em field is a field of force, it
> carries no energy except in potential, and it certainly isn't
composed
> of energy. The em field exerts a force on a charge, and the energy
> gained by the charge can be quite negative wrt one frame but positive

> wrt another. Moreover the net energy *imparted* to a group of
charges
> is proportional to the net charge. It is just this complication with

> the notion of em waves *having energy*, and with the insistence that
> energy is somehow actually moving as an independent form of matter
one
> is lead to the preference of photons. OTOH, photons, as units of
> energy, are no more localizable than the energy within the em wave
> background, and thus there is no advantage to the photon approach in
> this regard, that is, wrt propagation and location. Both E and B are
> fields that *represent* energy, but only because they can cause a
> particle to gain energy. Geometry is the accountant. Moreover, both
E
> and B are macroscopic fields, neither representing the field of the
bare
> electron in any FoR.
>
> The field (singular) imparts energy to a particle by forcing the
> particle rather than depositing energy on it, whatever that might
mean.
> Photon theory is a step in the wrong direction as regards
explanatory
> power, since the interaction between a photon and an electron is an
> impossibility in a physical sense. Are there yet other types of
bosons
> mediating the exchange? "Turtles all the way down" is simply not
> acceptable. QM, as accurate as it may be in its domain, deals only
with
> the probabilities of certain outcomes. It should refrain from its
> tendency toward solidifying its entities, in that the only things
that
> one may apply the probabilities to are things that are themselves
> tangible rather than probabilities. They are the objects that the
> probabilities refer to, and these objects are not probably here or
> probably there, they are actually here or there. Possibility is
> literally just a measure of ones ignorance.
>
> Classical em is somewhat incomplete, and this is the bottom line, but
it
> isn't incapable.
>
> Richard Perry

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