Re: neutrino interaction

Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
> Raymond Yohros wrote:

> >>>imagine spacetime at the very last mile of it's
> >>>expansion
> >>
> >>What is "the very last mile of its expansion" supposed to mean?

This is sometimes hard to understand. you have to have a visual
in you're head. imagine you have a string or spring. the
ripples can represent curve spacetime. as you stretch it,
the string starts to loose the ripples and slow down almost
complitely when all the ripples are gone. spacetime is unfolding itself
but
right know its not even close to 1% of the size and age that is going
to be at the end of the expansion cycle.

> > when the ENGINES OF THE UNIVERSE (black holes)
> > are no longer spinning the waveform of spacetime.
>
> 1) That doesn't explain what "the very last mile of its expansion" is
> supposed
> to mean.
> 2) What makes you think that black holes are the "engines of the
> universe"?
> 3) What is "the waveform of spacetime"?
> 4) What does it mean to "spin" it?
> 5) Why do you think that black holes do that?
>

As long as there is curve spacetime, there will be motion.

>
> >>>becoming a huge flat fabric.
> >>
> >>It's probably already flat right now.
> >
> >
> > not at all.
>
> How do you know?

because all my teachers including Einstein said so.
also all types of observation sugests massive bendings
in spacetime. there are some that even show how the light
of near by stars are being bended by a massive body.
like plannets spin around the sun, and
stars around the center of a galaxi, gravity
keep the fabric of spacetime spinning like a waveform.
a waveform that will eventually slow down when spacetime
is fully unfold.


> > for the universe to reach it's full size&age
>
> What makes you think it *has* a "full size and age"? For all we know,
> it will expand forever.

Yes that is the most intuitive general view. everything suggest that
in observation. it's hard to see beyond the horizond and
understand that the earth is not flat. that there is no big abyss
at the edge of it. what goes up, most come down and that's how
everithing goes around and around.

> And what has that to do with the question if the universe is flat or not?

only a flat universe stands still. curve spacetime keeps
it in motion, expanding or compresing.

> >>>in a flat
> >>>fabric, heavy objects will just bend their sorroundings
> >>
> >>Right.
> >>
> >>>but will not move anymore
> >>
> >>Why on earth do you think so???
> >
> > because the general gravitational tempo
>
> What's that?
>

the general gravitation of spacetime slows down away from the big bang.
proove of this are the quasars. this very young structures
had serious gravitational deppresion.
the type we don't see in galaxies anymore.
i'm hopping you understand by this why the electroweek force
it's more precent near the bang that away from it.

> > of the universe
> > will be very slow. galaxies will spread up so much
>
> Why should they???

I thoath you knew that the universe is expanding very fast.

> > that they will loose the rotatonal spin related to their
> > centers because of the dark matr gravitation on their edges.
>
> How does that follow???

we can't see dark matr, but it is there making an
effect over everithing we can see.

> > blackholes, the mayor benders of spacetime will begin to
> > fade away.
> >
> >
> >>>like when the fabric was
> >>>filled with structures that use to keep it in motion.
> >>
> >>Huh??? What structures keep what in motion?
> >
> >
> > i will say it again, THE ENGINES OF THE UNIVERSE.
>
> What makes you think that black holes keep anything in motion?

GRAVITY

> >>>if neutrinos can have just enough gravitation to
> >>>make a very very small tilt in the fabric, then the matr
> >>>that was expanding away from the center
> >>
> >>What center?
> >
> >
> > Everywhere
>
> "everywhere" is not a center.
>

everywhere is the center of the expansion.


>
> >>>will start to fall back into it.
> >>
> >>How on Earth does that follow? Why should the small tilt which
> >>the neutrinos cause have a greater effect than the bending which
> >>all the heavy objects cause?
> >
> >
> > Because the small tilt will be everywhere
>
> So what??? Ordinary matter will also be everywhere!

not in the huge distances between them; so not much
will be spinning around or falling into anything else.
only neutrinos.

> > so after
> > an ETERNITY OF SILENCE, dark matr will start to
> > fall back into each other creating curve spacetime again.
>
> How on Earth does that follow?
>

neutrinos move similarly to photons but because they
have diferent properties they act diferenly over
matenergy and spacetime. they will be the only thing
alife (and i mean alife because of their motion)
in a dead frozen silent huge static flat universe.
their effect over matenery is very small but at
this stage they will be so many that
they will be the only thing screeming in what
will be come an eternity of silence;
the exact opposite stage of the big bang, sound of sounds.


>
> >>>the electroweek force belongs to the past
> >>
> >>Why on earth do you think so???
> >
> >
> > observation shows that matenery
> > behaives more like energy near the big bang
> > and more like matr away from it.
>
> What on Earth is this supposed to mean? And what on Earth has that to
> do with "the electroweak force belongs to the past"?
>

as i said before, look above

>
> >>>the universe moves into the future by means of the strong force.
> >>
> >>What on earth is that supposed to mean???
> >
>

when gravitational depressions start to fade away, the
chances of constant collitions between particles is reduced.
gluon have more chance to act over matenergy
because bosons and fermions are not constantly runing
into eachother making a soup of only energy and elementary particles.

broken cymtry is what makes matr rise out of energy.
the future of all matenergy is to become darkmatr at the end
of the expanding cycle. stars don't live forever and
when spacetime becomes bigger and bigger chances of interactions
to form new stars decreases.


> > everithing will be just dark matr.
>
> Why on Earth do you think so?
>
>
> > There wont even be light.
>
> Why on Earth do you think so?
>
>
> > Almost like an ETENITY OF SILENCE.
>
> And what has all that to do with "the universe moves into
> the future by means of the strong force"?
>

Look above

raymond
www.sonofsound.com

>
> Bye,
> Bjoern

.

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